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Should Thatcher get a state funeral?

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    #61
    Originally posted by KimberleyChris View Post
    "So you are an IRA appeaser too?"

    Nope, I've been through my posts and never once do I mention supporting the IRA. You do type some cack, don't you? It's called the 'straw man' argument. You will mention the Nazis very soon :-)

    The only thing that Mrs Thatcher could possibly be admired for was her foreign policy. Every action at home seemed to be motivated by unhuman spite, vindictiveness, and the encouragement of a twisted type of 'constructive greed'.

    I am aware of at least two suicides as the result of her evil, and in the spirit of 'an eye for an eye' I would not have been too heartbroken if she had ended her days when she was supposed to, regardless of who planted the weapon.
    Instead of not constructing an argument and then hiding behind the "straw man" touch you might like to argue why the IRA should have killed Thatcher and what that would mean in terms of your attitude to the IRA. You can then bring this into the context of justifying the position of the trade unions, and explain how the Uk would have been better without Thatcher. You dont and you wont. The anti Thatcherites never use logic. The best they can do is to drum up a few anecdotal stories of suicides which incidentally have been happening on a daily basis since the economy crashed at the hands of New Labour.
    It is also interesting that for someone who has been so enriched by Thatchers policies that you should accuse her of encouraging greed. The inhumanity of Thatcher is what preceded her. What followed was that people like you became free to trade your skills in enterprise markets, selling your privileged skills to the highest bidder and becoming part of the richest sector of people on the entire planet.
    If you want to argue that a controlled economy under a labour government with Nationalised Industries controlled by Trade Unions would have been a better alternative then argue it. You people seem to ignore the fact that had Thatcher been killed by the IRA there would have been an alternative, yet you neither explain what this should or would have been. Maybe we could have lived under the control of the Trade Unions and the IRA? If you think this would have been a better alternative then say so.
    Alternatives are never discussed by you people because Thatcher stirs up your own failings. Is it misogyny or a refusal to accept that left wing ideology is evil?
    You make no arguments, because you cannot. The best you can do is squeal "vindictive, cruel, greed and throw in a few anecdotal suicides to strengthen emotions in true left wing fashion, desperately hoping to illicit credibility to what is no more a tirade of bigotry, and a point blank refusal to apportion blame on the trade unions and the labour government.

    It is very easy to denigrate Thatcher but not so easy to discuss the alternatives or justify the totalitarianism of what she inherited. The joy of Thatcher is that she forces the hypocrites, the misogynysts the "entitled", the lazy and the feckless out into the open, just as the failure of the Euro is currently doing.
    Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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      #62
      Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
      Starting to sound like sasguru there

      To the sober person adventurous conduct often seems insanity.
      I have been trained by the very best
      Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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        #63
        Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post
        I have been trained by the very best

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          #64
          Softies and lefties understandably didn't like her, but she was a rare conviction politician who kicked the UK from the 'sick man of Europe' back into competitiveness.

          I suffered redundancy from a 'job for life' under her policies but I could see further than my own nose and understood the bigger picture, stopped whingeing, and got off my arse.

          In different ways Thatcher and Atlee were the best two prime ministers the UK had last century, even above Churchill.

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            #65
            Originally posted by Doggy Styles View Post
            In different ways Thatcher and Atlee were the best two prime ministers the UK had last century, even above Churchill.
            I don't think many PMs other than Churchill would have told the nazies to fook off and keep fighting after Dunkirk.

            Churchill was ready to fight on the beaches, Thatcher took the milk away from schools.

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              #66
              Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post
              The country was f**ked up by your socialist friends. What she did was to administer the medicine. She also introduced the notion of self reliance and personal responsibility by breaking up the Unions, freeing up the banking and energy and airline and every other "protected industry" sector.

              No one ever thinks of the misery and totalitarianism of what went before her, the bankrupting of the economy, the three day week.

              there are many things that she did (in hindsight) that could have been done better, but most of these would have involved borrowing money (there was none) , for for example infrastructure investment.

              I know its fashionable to resent her - "oh I am so caring, so liberal" but most of us especially contractors have been freed from the grasp of the state and its institutions to live our own lives and take our own responsibilities - which the liberals choose to call greed.
              The Three-Day Week was one of several measures introduced by the Conservative Government 1970–1974

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                #67
                I can't be arsed arguing with Tory Boy at this time of night. I'll just let him froth over his Daily Express.

                I'll settle for any Thatcher funeral. I'll chip in myself if need be.
                Guy Fawkes - "The last man to enter Parliament with honourable intentions."

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by AtW View Post
                  I don't think many PMs other than Churchill would have told the nazies to fook off and keep fighting after Dunkirk.

                  Churchill was ready to fight on the beaches, Thatcher took the milk away from schools.
                  Some trivia

                  There were no radio broadcasts from the Parliament during the war. An actor
                  Norman Shelley actually spoke the words of Churchill’s speech originally for American Newsreel but the recording was played on British Radio sometime after.

                  People's memories fade an there are some people who say that they actually heard Churchill on the radio broadcasting from Parliament.
                  "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Paddy View Post
                    An actor
                    Norman Shelley actually spoke the words of Churchill’s speech originally for American Newsreel but the recording was played on British Radio sometime after.
                    The actor wasn't making the decision. It's beyond doubt as far as I am concerned that it was Churchill's personality who was not just against Nazi Germany but also against Soviet Nazies.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by AtW View Post
                      The actor wasn't making the decision. It's beyond doubt as far as I am concerned that it was Churchill's personality who was not just against Nazi Germany but also against Soviet Nazies.
                      Yes, he wanted to nuke Russia into the stone age after WWII, you would have liked that no doubt.
                      "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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