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[d000hg]

Here is the unadjusted data straight out the satellite

ftp://ftp.aviso.oceanobs.com/

This graph shows the sea level from 2004-2011.



Thie graph is plotted from the data which you can download and plot yourself before you start to suggest Steven Goddard made it up. It agrees with Professor Axel-Nils Mörner's assertions. You know the guy responsible for measuring sea level for 13 years.

As Prof Mörner says the sea level rise is bollox

What exactly are YOU thinking that graph shows BB? Looks like an upward trend (slight) to me.

[EternalOptimist]

What exactly are YOU thinking that graph shows BB? Looks like an upward trend (slight) to me.

If that vertical axis is 30mm, each marker is 1 mm. So in 7 years the peaks and toughs should have gone up quite a lot. They dont.
There is a slight trend upwards, as you say, but then it starts to drop at the end.


If you look at some of the extreme scare stories, 1.7 m by 2100, you would expect each peak to be half a page higher than the last(and in the fiddled figures, it is)

[BlasterBates]

Well the raw data shows an increase of 2mm in 7 years but nothing like the "rotated graph".

I'll repost the link from Mörner, and you can reread it in light of the actual satellite data, which shows he was drawing graph of the actual data not rotating some graph.

House of Lords - Economic Affairs - Written Evidence

The debate is not about whether Mörner is a delusional idiot suffering from Alzheimer's but whether the adjustments are justifiable.

[Arturo Bassick]

You don't falsify a long term projection with 7 years worth of data. Here's the AVISO plot from the same data, somewhat different:-

I don't know why there is a difference; but I do know that blogger Steve Goddard has a history of making stuff up.

Yes but you have to question the science when the most rudimentary examination suggests natural and cyclic changes.
I live by the sea and know many local landmarks that have ancient high water marks and they all show a 120 - 150 year cycle. I have noticed the same in rivers and coastlines all over Europe.

[EternalOptimist]

Yes but you have to question the science when the most rudimentary examination suggests natural and cyclic changes.
I live by the sea and know many local landmarks that have ancient high water marks and they all show a 120 - 150 year cycle. I have noticed the same in rivers and coastlines all over Europe.

Just imagine if you had a pet theory that happened to match one leg of that natural cycle. For year after year you would be vindicated
How bitter it must be to see the peak come and go, and then to have to try to maintain the faith 'I dont know why there is a difference' -pjclarke 2011

[BlasterBates]

Yes but you have to question the science when the most rudimentary examination suggests natural and cyclic changes.
I live by the sea and know many local landmarks that have ancient high water marks and they all show a 120 - 150 year cycle. I have noticed the same in rivers and coastlines all over Europe.

Indeed there seems to be plenty of evidence around the world of sea level variations up and down but no real discernible trend. Hard to see where the extra water is going to come from with no discernible temperature trends in either Antarctica or Greenland.

Survey of Greenland Instrumental Temperature Records 1873-2001

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[EternalOptimist]

Indeed there seems to be plenty of evidence around the world of sea level variations up and down but no real discernible trend. Hard to see where the extra water is going to come from with no discernible temperature trends in either Antarctica or Greenland.

any extra water has to come from the Antarctic, realistically. Maybe Greenland if it all melted.

Given that the are frozen solid for most of the year, and even if they melted they would form lakes and inland seas, the amount of water that would have to come off them by 2100 is just mathematically impossible. If it was going to happen, we would be seeing it now -not natural calving, but massive humoungous rivers

quiz question - whats the biggest river in the world ?
a - the amazon

wrong - this river is three times bigger than the amazon and it only flows for 5 months of the year

a- Ah that must be the river Balderdash in Antartica

correct

[BlasterBates]

Who is John Hunter? Are we sure he doesn't have a political agenda, which Mörner's viewpoint doesn't fit in with.

Have you got evidence of Mörner being diagnosed with some mental health illness?

Professor Mörner was head of INAQUA for 13 years, how did this "old duffer" hold such a distinguished position, how does a "duffer" get appointed to be professor.If John Hunter knew better why wasn't he a professor of oceanography?

Why was someone with a mental health problem or old "duffer" invited to give evidence at the House of Lords select commitee?

When I read his testimony it seems to be extremely lucid indeed.

It seems to be quite common in this debate to resort to personal defamation.

[doodab]

One thing is certain. There are a lot of people that need to get laid on both sides of the debate.