Huhne plans 32,000 more wind turbines

[Arturo Bassick]

One of many differences being that nobody is denying that Road Traffic Accidents are real ....

Well, maybe Clarkson.

Is anybody denying that climate change is happening? I thought the main argument was the cause and the consequences.

It seems to me that the AGW crowd are so determined that we can stop it if we reduce our carbon footprint that they are ignoring the fact that it might be natural and we had better prepare for the worst.

[Cliphead]

...unless we've missed a massive and unknown natural influence on the climate system.

It's called the Sun

[doodab]

It's called the Sun

That Murdoch fellow has a lot to answer for.

[Cliphead]

That Murdoch fellow has a lot to answer for.

It's all them satellites I tell ya

[pjclarke]

Satellites! Brilliant! Sending oscillating microwaves Earthwards! And what else uses microwaves? A microwave oven. And what do ovens do?

Stands to reason dunnit? Fully documented in these utterly reliable websites complete with long words and charts. How did the corrupt rent-seeking so-called IPCC miss this? We just need a snappy title ending in -gate. OMG what else have they missed? I think we should suspend any further anti climate change measures until this is fully investigated. And then cosmic rays, and ocean oscillations, and solar variations, undersea volcanoes, dowsing, morphic resonance .... should keep us going another decade.

[Cliphead]

Satellites! Sending oscillating microwaves Earthwards! And what else uses microwaves? A microwave oven. And what do ovens do?

Stands to reason dunnit? How did the corrupt rent-seeking so-called IPCC miss this? We just need a snappy title ending in -gate. OMG -what else have they missed? I think we should suspend any further anti climate change measures until this is fully investigated. And then cosmic rays, and ocean oscillations, and solar variations, undersea volcanoes, dowsing, morphic resonance ....

[EternalOptimist]

ROFLMAO

[EternalOptimist]

why do all his graphs look like an explosion in a smarty factory ?

[pjclarke]

The speccie has published a rebuttal to Morner:

Mörner’s article in The Spectator demonstrates a similar carelessness with the facts. He suggests, for example, that the International Union for Quaternary Reseach (INQUA) supports his claim that ‘sea levels have been oscillating close to the present level for the last three centuries’. This has forced INQUA — not for the first time — to speak out. Its spokesman explained that ‘99 per cent of INQUA scientists don’t subscribe to this view, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he is the only one who believes this’. The evidence from *satellites and tide gauges shows that mean *global sea levels are now rising by 3mm a year.

A question of faith | The Spectator

Oh, and someone mentioned Tuvalu?

Superposition of global mean sea level rise, low-frequency regional variability and vertical ground motion shows that some islands of the region suffered significant ‘total’ sea level rise (i.e., that felt by the population) during the past 60 years. This is especially the case for the Funafuti Island (Tuvalu) where the “total” rate of rise is found to be about 3 times larger than the global mean sea level rise over 1950–2009.

ScienceDirect - Global and Planetary Change : Sea level variations at tropical Pacific islands since 1950

[scooterscot]

You have a cheek talking about a technological intellect barrier when you clearly have little idea what you are talking about. I'm sure if you can come up with a way of doubling current efficiencies that you will be able to make money, but it will never actually be a 100% efficient process.

Currently practical electrolysis technology is about 60-70% efficient. The main problem here seems to be related to the oxygen produced, there is no effective catalyst for this side of the reaction and a lot of energy is wasted as heat.

Who cares about efficiency when the source is renewable? We need both electricity and heat, with the energy given in those forms who cares about current efficiencies when considering harvesting heat from a cell? Other methods exist and not all include the medium of a copper conductor.

When comparing the engine of car you'd be lucky to achieve 40% efficiency.

Anyway, disregarding that, even if you give everyone a fuel cell, and it is, for sake of argument 100% efficient (it won't be for the reasons stated above) and you manage to invent an electrolysis process that is 100% efficient how do you plan to transport the hydrogen to the fuel cells without using energy? One obvious answer here is to give everyone an electrolysis plant as well and have them stockpile hydrogen at home when the wind is blowing. How do you plan to regulate the heat output of the fuel cells so that it is useful without wasting any of the energy? How do you propose to construct electrolysis plants and fuel cells without using any energy?

It system already exists at a clients site I once worked at in the borders. The hydrogen is transported for free without using any energy generated by the system. It was so simple it was ridiculous. Would not be suitable on a large scale though.

Incidentally the process does not need to be 100% efficient, who said it does btw?