IT jobs 'lost to cheap labour' -

[DodgyAgent]

My point is that even what Malvolio suggests (offering to local people first at Indian rates) is against the rules, since they are not supposed to bring in non-EU staff if they can find EU staff at the market rate; and my point is specifically that "market rate" must mean "EU market rate", not Indian market rate.

The whole of this argument is irrelevant because BT, M&S, Tesco et al are using a loophole to bring in cheap labour from outside of the UK. If this loophole were closed then as you correctly say expat, the market rate would not be benchmarked against Indian labour.

[TimberWolf]

What is the day rate for Indian IT staff? Someone is likely making a killing there.

[Mich the Tester]

What is the day rate for Indian IT staff? Someone is likely making a killing there.

$10 per day we do all C++, C#, VB and Java coding much quickness plenty cheapness. Acha!

Also we leave skidmarks on loo seat and leave cleaning to lower caste hygiene operative person!

Plenty boomed!

[TimberWolf]

$10 per day we do all C++, C#, VB and Java coding much quickness plenty cheapness. Acha!

Also we leave skidmarks on loo seat and leave cleaning to lower caste hygiene operative person!

Plenty boomed!

They get charged out to the companies they work for much more than that though (and what they could manage on in a third world country) , no?

[Mich the Tester]

They get charged out to the companies they work for much more than that though (and what they could manage on in a third world country) , no?

Yes, and seeing as those companies have sacked all the people who knew anything about technology they can bill 200 hours for 2 hour jobs and no-one bats an eyelid (except Mich the Tester, but nobody listens to him anyway). Indian programmer returns to slum with second hand colour TV to watch cricket in his 2 hours of spare time per week, Indian boss man buys another yacht. European manager collects plenty bonus for making plenty 'efficiency savings' and buys new BMW.

All paid for by, you've guessed it, taxpayers.

[sasguru]

Yes, and seeing as those companies have sacked all the people who knew anything about technology they can bill 200 hours for 2 hour jobs and no-one bats an eyelid (except Mich the Tester, but nobody listens to him anyway). Indian programmer returns to slum with second hand colour TV to watch cricket in his 2 hours of spare time per week, Indian boss man buys another yacht. European manager collects plenty bonus for making plenty 'efficiency savings' and buys new BMW.

All paid for by, you've guessed it, taxpayers.

Good, now you're learning.
So the solution is to be one of the boss-men.
T'was ever thus.

[Mich the Tester]

Good, now you're learning.
So the solution is to be one of the boss-men.
T'was ever thus.

Aha, I have a cunning plan. Along with a fellow freelancer I'm doing just that now.

[Francko]

They get charged out to the companies they work for much more than that though (and what they could manage on in a third world country) , no?

Well the multinational plan is to buy a good at third world prices and sell it to first world prices. Talking about strategy and value creation. Not even sasguru could come up with a better plan.

* To be fair that is what happened a long time ago in the textile sector. They buy rubbish made in china at chinese prices but they try to sell it to you at europe prices. That is until I realised that it's all the same rubbish and then I just bought directly that non-branded chinese clothing at chinese prices. Now european/american clothing manufacturers are complaining about unfair competition

[sasguru]

Well the multinational plan is to buy a good at third world prices and sell it to first world prices. .

That is essentially what business is, and has been since the dawn of time.
Buy cheap, sell dear.

HTH

[Mich the Tester]

That is essentially what business is, and has been since the dawn of time.
Buy cheap, sell dear.

HTH

Genuine Prada handbag sir, made plenty cheapness by illiterate child in Cambodia and offered to you for $4000 sir, plenty BJs back home!