IT jobs 'lost to cheap labour' -

[TimberWolf]

Patricia Hewitt

Oh FFS, I thought you were joking.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03...witt_joins_bt/

[PM-Junkie]

OK, but it miught take a while. The Migration Advisory Committee is looking at both this specific caes and the wider abuse we keep seeing. They can't sue BT, but any of the displaced freelancers can, and would probably get backing to do so: bet none of them do though.

However the MAC can require any imported staff to be returned if there is a breach of the regulations. They can also change the rules to make it even harder. Just don't expect to see it happen this year.

What I think will happen is that BT will lose market share and revenues as their customers continue to get hacked off with worsening service as a result of effectively de-skilling their workforce just for a little short term financial gain.

And with the greatest of respect and commiserations to anyone here who works at BT or knows someone who does, I will be one of the millions who delights in watching that happen.

[The Lone Gunman]

What I think will happen is that BT will lose market share and revenues as their customers continue to get hacked off with worsening service as a result of effectively de-skilling their workforce just for a little short term financial gain.

And with the greatest of respect and commiserations to anyone here who works at BT or knows someone who does, I will be one of the millions who delights in watching that happen.

The customers have nowhere to go. Each of the firms in the UK is involved in a headlong race to the bottom as far as cost is concerned.
They are fighting each other to provide highest short term return for investors.

The end result is a 3rd world service from all providers.

[TimberWolf]

The customers have nowhere to go. Each of the firms in the UK is involved in a headlong race to the bottom as far as cost is concerned.
They are fighting each other to provide highest short term return for investors.

The end result is a 3rd world service from all providers.

Third world service using a third world workforce and charged at first world prices. Boomed.

[The Lone Gunman]

Third world service using a third world workforce and charged at first world prices. Boomed.

If the skilled work force is unemployed who is going to be able to afford those first world prices?


This has been my mantra for quite some time.

[Incognito]

What I think will happen is that BT will lose market share and revenues as their customers continue to get hacked off with worsening service as a result of effectively de-skilling their workforce just for a little short term financial gain.

And with the greatest of respect and commiserations to anyone here who works at BT or knows someone who does, I will be one of the millions who delights in watching that happen.

If you're not getting BT to put that big fat pipe in your datacentre, there aren't very many other options. Global crossing? I tired getting a quote out of them for some work to stick a 2Meg broadband link in to a building. Quote = £27,000.

BT = Business broadband £29 a month.

[Churchill]

The telecoms companies are heading the same way as the automotive industry...

They're just taking longer to die.

[Ruse]

Breaching Immigration Rules

I agree that BT are clearly exploiting things and are 'not breaking any rules', but thats what public profit oriented companies do isn't it ? Would their shareholders approve of this ? Probably.

This isn't about Employment Law it's about Immigration Rules. No employer can transfer employees from another country ie. on-site offshoring unless they can prove that the skill they have are not available locally.

Clearly if they are replacing local contractors with Indian workers then the skills are available locally and they are in clear breach of the Immigration rules.

[HairyArsedBloke]

If the skilled work force is unemployed who is going to be able to afford those first world prices?


This has been my mantra for quite some time.

And pay taxes to fund pensions and social security ........

[expat]

Er, that would be tantamount to setting local rates according Indian standards, rather than setting rates for insourcing according to local standards, which is what should happen.

Ok so your point is?

My point is that even what Malvolio suggests (offering to local people first at Indian rates) is against the rules, since they are not supposed to bring in non-EU staff if they can find EU staff at the market rate; and my point is specifically that "market rate" must mean "EU market rate", not Indian market rate.