Indian Programmers

[Liability]

95% of them are tulipe.

Ive worked with nearly all of them that have been mentioned and can summarise it as follows

Give them a solution to run on 100 servers and theyll faff around after many months and give y ou SOMETHING. GOD forbid the solutions needs to run on 99 servers or 101 and they entire thing will collapse!

Prices also are not that cheap now as living standard in India are at an all time high - so bang for buck you end up with tulipe! Alot of the good ones last year used the outsourcers to get a roll here in the UK then got sponsorship and jumped to another company bt thats not going to happen now due to tigher regs.....I can never understand why Youd want to outsource such key areas of your business.

[NickFitz]

I think Threaded was...

...and that's this thread doomed to deletion

[lambrini_socialist]

my experiences with indian outsourcing have been just awful, really harrowing, but i think this was down to our very british managers going for the absolute cheapest option every single bloody time despite our wails of protest. you get what you pay for - i'm sure there's nothing inherently bad about indian programmers. (don't make me get out the "most racist" list again...)

[shoes]

They're sht.

Perhaps it's a cultural thing but my experience has been that they view the speed of coming up with 'a solution' above all other considerations. Poor code? doesn't matter, I did it plenty quickness. Doesn't actually do what it's supposed to because they didn't show any initiative in seeking clarification on the vague requirements? doesn't matter, I did it plenty quickness. Now I sit here arms folding waiting for allocated time on project to end rolling my eyes at you white people us Indians will soon all replace you haha!


Why you sack me? racists!

[Incognito]

They're not all tulip, it's just that all the guys that are really good are snapped up on decent wages by the big Indian firms. What you normally get over here are the dregs that:

a. Couldn't get a well paid job with one of the good firms
b. Aren't even Indian anyway
c. Are damn cheap.

(take your pick)

[TheFaQQer]

Contractor: 1 guy who knows what he is doing.
Software vendor: 1 guy who knows what he is doing, plus 4 who don't but are learning on client time.
Outsourcing: unlimited number of people who don't know what they are doing, but are supposed to be cheap.

[d000hg]

I definitely wouldn't outsource a whole project to an Indian team. I'd have to be able to communicate 1-on-1 with each person to be convinced they knew their stuff.
So for a small remote team it can be great, but trying to get a big project migrated overseas is where it goes wrong in my experience.

[minestrone]

In my last place of work ( Big US bank ) they internally quoted for a job at 10 million, Indian outsourced team quoted 150,000 quid

Indians got the gig and after spending 8 million they brought it back onshore where it cost another 4 million to fix.

Now who is at fault? The Indian programmers or the doughballs who though "yes, they can deliver a trading application for 150,000 quid"

[jmo21]

its not just IT, mate of mine is chemical scientist of some sort for a drug company, and he has had similar experience with outsourcing the stuff they do to India

that being said, i've worked with plenty Indians who are really smart, pretty really dumb, and plenty in between.

the best dev guys i've met though are always snapped up quickly and end up moving to the US, and/or moving as quickly as they can into management roles

[NotAllThere]

In all the time I've known the Indian Programmers, I never understood why they had to suffer sub-standard accommodation, had no rights of residence and had a lower pay scale than their fellow "British" programmers and yet they have worked on the same programs. I would ask that if you believe they should receive the same rights as the developers worked alongside then you add your name to the petition.

Cheers for reading

http://www.indianprogrammersjustice.org.uk/

Please don't forget, these people have killed systems and projects on our behalf, without thought for their own safety.

It's generated loads of work for me.

btw - I've worked with some very very good Indian developers. The problem is not with Indians, it's the whole outsourcing paradigm.