A third of Poles driven home by recession

[DodgyAgent]

Considering the profits made and dividends paid by some companies who pay low wages I would suggest that their wages policy is a lot less than fair.
I am not a socialist but I do have a sense of fairness and recent years have seen more and more exploitation of workers in the drive for ever increasing profits.
I don't disagree with profit, it is a good thing, but the workforce is a major contributing factor to many of these businesses. Some small recognition wouldn't go amiss.

How do you know that the people at the bottom end of the scale are not being rewarded/recognised?

[The Lone Gunman]

How do you know that the people at the bottom end of the scale are not being rewarded/recognised?

I don't, but I have my suspicions. I base those suspicions on the fact that multi million pound profit industries are complaining because cheap foreign labour is hard to find, or that they are employing foreigners in the first place.

I do understand that there are any number of work shy tossers in the UK, but I am also sure that some jobs are just not paying enough to be viable to locals and that can not be right.

I am looking for a balance not a hand out.

[Bagpuss]

Oh come on, people don't do such jobs because the pay and conditions are carp. If these jobs paid markets rates, the jobs would be filled and bringing in immigrants just drives the wages down lower. Anyway, with less people, less building will need to be done. Boomed. I don't believe this Poles going home propaganda though.

My Grandad was born in the early 1900s, if he didn't work he didn't eat and he lived through some of the worst economic times and 2 world wars. He would be shocked by the attitude of people today who can't be arsed to work because benefits are too high.

I have a mate who's a Pole in a crap UK job, he thinks English people are lazy. He's right, his company can't get the staff. He's reliable and a hard worker , so they made him a manager on not so bad terms.

[DodgyAgent]

Sorry, but I am sceptical to say the least. After HMG stated that only 13,000 would arrive we share 1.2 MILLION official Polish immigrants with Eire.

If they have worked here for one year, they are entitled to full benefits which are much higher than they would get in Poland. In top of that, many are also claiming Child Allowance which they will not want to drop lightly. I really do not see these estimates being fulfilled.

Time will tell, but I really do not believe any figures that our 'whiter than white' government, and their cronies and quangoes supply us with.

I think you will find that the Poles who have come here contribute a lot more to the economy than they take out.

I find it astonishing that you assume that people who are not British (johnny foreigner) who come here, only do so to screw the benefits system. Does it not occur to you that these people have been to something called a school and then a place called a "University" and that they are not heathen scroungers but people like you (that's about the only similarity) who want to find opportunities to work and get on in life?

[Paddy]

Sorry, but I am sceptical to say the least. After HMG stated that only 13,000 would arrive we share 1.2 MILLION official Polish immigrants with Eire.

If they have worked here for one year, they are entitled to full benefits which are much higher than they would get in Poland. In top of that, many are also claiming Child Allowance which they will not want to drop lightly. I really do not see these estimates being fulfilled.

Time will tell, but I really do not believe any figures that our 'whiter than white' government, and their cronies and quangoes supply us with.

I agree with you. My personal experience talking to the Polish hotel porter was that he had no option to stay in the UK. He comes from a small town in Poland and there has never been any real jobs there not will there be. Secondly he said that the Polish government made it very difficult the poles to return home because they will loose all tax benefits once they have worked outside the country.

Next, nearby my to-let property they are many Polish couples with children and they are already on housing benefit. They could not afford to rent a house even with a good wage back in Poland.

[Bagpuss]

One wonders why Cyber tory mentions Eire (which would not be in UK governemnt estimates). Is it to make a stronger yet eroneous point?
Sounds like BNP tactics

[DodgyAgent]

I don't, but I have my suspicions. I base those suspicions on the fact that multi million pound profit industries are complaining because cheap foreign labour is hard to find, or that they are employing foreigners in the first place.

I do understand that there are any number of work shy tossers in the UK, but I am also sure that some jobs are just not paying enough to be viable to locals and that can not be right.

I am looking for a balance not a hand out.

The reason why jobs are not viable for locals is because the govt pay them so much in benefits it is not worth their while.

You've got this real old fashioned socialist hatred of profit. Which is fine as long as you understand that it is this profit which is recycled back into the economy in the form of pensions (yes for low paid workers, such as nurses, policemen) and taxation. If a company is profitable it is then able to attract loans, investment in order for it to become more profitable. These profits are for the benefit of everyone.

[Pondlife]

One wonders why Cyber tory mentions Eire (which would not be in UK governemnt estimates). Is it to make a stronger yet eroneous point?
Sounds like BNP tactics

Aye, It gets even worse when you start adding other European countries into the figures... Like Poland for example.

[expat]

What does a "fair days pay for a fair days work" actually mean? sounds like some weasel word cliche from a socialist politician.

It is the motto of the American Federation of Labor. IMHO it is a clear statement of principle, and therefore not weasel words at all.

The converse (if that's what it is) of "A fair day's work for a fair day's pay" (or possibly "...a fair day's wage") was, I seem to recall, a campaign slogan of the Tories, circa 1970.

[DodgyAgent]

It is the motto of the American Federation of Labor. IMHO it is a clear statement of principle, and therefore not weasel words at all.

The converse (if that's what it is) of "A fair day's work for a fair day's pay" (or possibly "...a fair day's wage") was, I seem to recall, a campaign slogan of the Tories, circa 1970.

So define it then