A third of Poles driven home by recession

[The Lone Gunman]

I refuse to tell people on low wage jobs that they need me to lobby on their behalf. Most workers on low wages are there by choice and funniliy enough do not want to learn to program computers. If any of them have been held back then it is by the states appalling education system.

If you start the argument about inequality of earnings then I will put you and your earnings up for debate. I mean why should you earn £100,000 a year for sitting in front of a screen and doing a job that most people could do, whilst there are nurses earning as little as £24,000 a year doing a far more valuable job? What makes you any more deserving of your wages when our Nigerian born highly educated cleaner is earning £8.00 hour.

By your own argument Dodgy we are all earning what we are worth.
By my argument perhaps we would all be earning more.
You are also bringing in a different point from a different argument with the who is worth what question.

I think originally we were discussing the fact that if employers paid a decent rate for jobs the locals could compete with imports with less overheads and/or expectations.

[M_B]

Most workers on low wages are there by choice and funniliy enough do not want to learn to program computers.

hmmmm I'm not sure about that assumption.

[DodgyAgent]

By your own argument Dodgy we are all earning what we are worth.
By my argument perhaps we would all be earning more.
You are also bringing in a different point from a different argument with the who is worth what question.

I think originally we were discussing the fact that if employers paid a decent rate for jobs the locals could compete with imports with less overheads and/or expectations.

The "debate" is getting sidetracked.

The first thing is to remove benefits or reduce them. This will motivate more local people into jobs. Beyond that sure paying an extra £2.00 per hour will of course bring in more workers, which will include migrants. Then other employers will follow suit which then leads to wage inflation and look what happens then.. in IT vast amounts of work was shipped abroad, you and I pay more for goods and services, profits of companies will be reduced, impacting on pensions and taxes. If wage inflation creeps up then prices of food will rise so benefits will then need to go up.. a never ending spiral

What the truly disgraceful element of all this is that £6.00 per hour would be perfectly acceptable provided the state did its bit with our taxes.

If I knew that my children were going to receive a good education, that I could live in an area with low crime and receive good healthcare then the rest is pocket money. People do not need that much money to have a decent lifestyle. They need the money to get them away from the clutches of the state.

When someone is earning £6.00 an hour and a next door family is receiving the same in benefits and has no link of responsibility to others in the community (Be as anti social as I like), then all of a sudden that £6.00 per hour is not enough to escape from an appalling environment.

[The Lone Gunman]

The "debate" is getting sidetracked.

The first thing is to remove benefits or reduce them. This will motivate more local people into jobs. Beyond that sure paying an extra £2.00 per hour will of course bring in more workers, which will include migrants. Then other employers will follow suit which then leads to wage inflation and look what happens then.. in IT vast amounts of work was shipped abroad, you and I pay more for goods and services, profits of companies will be reduced, impacting on pensions and taxes. If wage inflation creeps up then prices of food will rise so benefits will then need to go up.. a never ending spiral

What the truly disgraceful element of all this is that £6.00 per hour would be perfectly acceptable provided the state did its bit with our taxes.

If I knew that my children were going to receive a good education, that I could live in an area with low crime and receive good healthcare then the rest is pocket money. People do not need that much money to have a decent lifestyle. They need the money to get them away from the clutches of the state.

When someone is earning £6.00 an hour and a next door family is receiving the same in benefits and has no link of responsibility to others in the community (Be as anti social as I like), then all of a sudden that £6.00 per hour is not enough to escape from an appalling environment.

Now we are starting to agree on some things, not totally, but starting.

[DodgyAgent]

hmmmm I'm not sure about that assumption.

If someone came up to me and complained about their job and pay, I would simply say "its a free world, get another job". If you are working as a care worker on £6.00 per hour who are you or I to assume that these people need us to feel sorry for them? Does it occur to you that maybe these people are perfectly happy and that we should really just butt out?

If they are not happy I am sure that they are big enough and ugly enough to lobby for changes on their own, without us comfortable armchair politicians thinking we know what is best for them. Polish unemployed people were big enough and determined enough to travel to another country, many of who now have valuable experience working Internationally, and now speak fluent English-thus making themselves much more valuable on the job market-. They may have only earned £6.00 an hour but they have gained much more..

I wonder sometimes whether it is really the workers you people truly care for or whether your motives are driven more by your envy of others who earn more money than you do.

[Diver]

A third of Poles driven home by recession



I thought Recession was the name of the coach firm

[TimberWolf]

They may have only earned £6.00 an hour but they have gained much more..

Well getting back to the indigenous population, since we already know that Poles are happy on £6 /hour. Is £6 / hour even enough to cover your Council tax, let alone to buy some food?

[TimberWolf]

A third of Poles driven home by recession



I thought Recession was the name of the coach firm

I thought it was a brand of sledge hammer.

[Xenophon]

I thought it was a brand of sledge hammer.

I thought it was a farmer with his arms out-stretched as if herding sheep, shouting, "Right, a third of you lot - go home!"

[DodgyAgent]

Well getting back to the indigenous population, since we already know that Poles are happy on £6 /hour. Is £6 / hour even enough to cover your Council tax, let alone to buy some food?

I wouldnt know, but then again I dont know how many earners live in a single household and nor do I know what council tax rates are. And you probably dont know either. Again my view is that if they are not happy on £6.00 an hour then they would do something about it.