A third of Poles driven home by recession

[The Lone Gunman]

I am planning on driving my pole home this coming week, but it has nothing to do with the recession.

[TimberWolf]

It's not just a matter of education, the fact is that immigrant labour is far cheaper than indigenous labour can ever be. When they go home, the unemployed here won't reskill to do their jobs because they think they are too good for it.

I blame the social revolution of the 60s. Since then, kids have been told that everybody is equally valid, no matter how they do at school, everybody is capable of getting to the top (not helped by the media assuring us that everybody is destined to be a rock star or movie actor or other 'celeb') and that self belief is all it takes.

There is a generation of people who are waiting around for fame and fortune to fall into their laps. They've been taught to believe that they are special and that sweeping the streets is not good enough for someone of their special qualities and value. There is no conception of working towards a goal any more, that's too hard, and you might fail. So they are happy to live like pigs in clabber on the dole, waiting for their big break.

Oh come on, people don't do such jobs because the pay and conditions are carp. If these jobs paid markets rates, the jobs would be filled and bringing in immigrants just drives the wages down lower. Anyway, with less people, less building will need to be done. Boomed. I don't believe this Poles going home propaganda though.

[Liability]

I saw something on the news where the independent immigration office were arguing that we should try to stop foreign workers going home because we will have a massive skills shortage...

well why doesnt the goverment improve education and make it mandatory for people on jobseekers to learn new skills and re-train, there should be a system of support and improvement.

If we have 1.6 milion unemployed people and theres still the argument of a skills shortage then surely the education system is where the issue lies and the answer isnt to simply sub out the jobs that are suffering a shortage to foreign workers.

This was going to happen - I work in Central London and a heck of alot of Euro staff have just dissappeared - IE Gone back home. Now some of these businesses will shut down, but others that dont need staff. The jobs were their as the British people didn't want to do them - and once the Poles go home - they probably still won't - as it appears many would think it is beneath them.

[Flashman]

Usual rubbishy journo stuff on how great immigrant workers are and by implication how awful the British are.

Theres only two worthwhile paragraphs in whole article

Poles were especially a victim of the downturn because the vast majority of British-based Poles were occupying low-skilled jobs at the bottom of the labour market, and with no protection from contracts.

With the increasing value of the zloty against the pound, many over-qualified Poles were likely to feel that they do not need to work long hours in poor conditions

Low skilled agency workers get the boot in a recession and go home. What a surprise !

[TheBigYinJames]

Oh come on, people don't do such jobs because the pay and conditions are carp. If these jobs paid markets rates, the jobs would be filled and bringing in immigrants just drives the wages down lower. Anyway, with less people, less building will need to be done. Boomed. I don't believe this Poles going home propaganda though.

If you dont' get any qualifications at school when they bend over backwards to give you them these days, then I don't see how anyone can claim they are "too good" for any crapola wages or conditions.

[TimberWolf]

If you dont' get any qualifications at school when they bend over backwards to give you them these days, then I don't see how anyone can claim they are "too good" for any crapola wages or conditions.

People doing jobs for low wages are the life-blood of the economy IMO and shouldn't be devalued further than they have been in recent decades and especially the last one. Academic qualifications are pointless doing for low skilled (or even all) workers and have been devalued in recent years anyway.

[BrilloPad]

I am planning on driving my pole home this coming week, but it has nothing to do with the recession.

Just once over the next week? You can get tablets for that.....

[TheBigYinJames]

People doing jobs for low wages are the life-blood of the economy IMO and shouldn't be devalued further than they have been in recent decades and especially the last one. Academic qualifications are pointless doing for low skilled (or even all) workers and have been devalued in recent years anyway.

I agree totally - People doing jobs for low wages are the life-blood of the economy - it's the people with no skills or qualifications who think they're too good to do jobs for low wages who are the deadwood I am talking about.

[The Lone Gunman]

Just once over the next week? You can get tablets for that.....

Yes, but for the whole week.

[TimberWolf]

I agree totally - People doing jobs for low wages are the life-blood of the economy - it's the people with no skills or qualifications who think they're too good to do jobs for low wages who are the deadwood I am talking about.

Well keeping low-skilled wages down through mass immigration no doubt also plays a part in creating that problem. Low paid people have become too lowly paid and undervalued IMO. They could do with a revolution akin to the one that happened in the middle ages. Landlords at the time didn't have the option or didn't think about of importing people by the million to keep the status quo.