A third of Poles driven home by recession

[DodgyAgent]

Well keeping low-skilled wages down through mass immigration no doubt also plays a part in creating that problem. Low paid people have become too lowly paid and undervalued IMO. They could do with a revolution akin to the one that happened in the middle ages. Landlords at the time didn't have the option or didn't think about of importing people by the million to keep the status quo.

Well if you are prepared to pay more for what you buy, whether it be food, cleaning services or anything else that is deliverd by virtue of unskilled labour then fine. Or if you are not and in turn ask your employer for more money to pay for rising costs then it will simply lead to inflation.

[The Lone Gunman]

Well if you are prepared to pay more for what you buy, whether it be food, cleaning services or anything else that is deliverd by virtue of unskilled labour then fine. Or if you are not and in turn ask your employer for more money to pay for rising costs then it will simply lead to inflation.

We have been through this one Dodgy.
Recent trends in business have been to pay maximum divvies at all costs. Wages have been driven down and down to increase the divvie and bonus payments.
There used to be a time when the staff were paid a fair days pay for a fair days work and got benefits from when a company was doing well.

Look what happens when greed of shareholders and senior staff is the only driving factor.

You could increase wages by paying less divvies then maybe companies would not be so over valued.

[NoddY]

Well if you are prepared to pay more for what you buy, whether it be food, cleaning services or anything else that is deliverd by virtue of unskilled labour then fine. Or if you are not and in turn ask your employer for more money to pay for rising costs then it will simply lead to inflation.

Inflation is not caused by increasing wages. Inflation is the decreasing value of money. It is caused by the monetary system and is inherent in all fiat currencies.

[DodgyAgent]

We have been through this one Dodgy.
Recent trends in business have been to pay maximum divvies at all costs. Wages have been driven down and down to increase the divvie and bonus payments.
There used to be a time when the staff were paid a fair days pay for a fair days work and got benefits from when a company was doing well.

Look what happens when greed of shareholders and senior staff is the only driving factor.

You could increase wages by paying less divvies then maybe companies would not be so over valued.

The "greed" of shareholders happens to include yours and my pensions.

What does a "fair days pay for a fair days work" actually mean? sounds like some weasel word cliche from a socialist politician. These people are being paid on or above the minimum wage, so what is not fair about that?

[DodgyAgent]

Inflation is not caused by increasing wages. Inflation is the decreasing value of money. It is caused by the monetary system and is inherent in all fiat currencies.

rising wages with no improvement in productivity contributes to inflation

[TimberWolf]

Well if you are prepared to pay more for what you buy, whether it be food, cleaning services or anything else that is deliverd by virtue of unskilled labour then fine. Or if you are not and in turn ask your employer for more money to pay for rising costs then it will simply lead to inflation.

What I getting at is that unskilled work is also important work and in a free labour market the salary of unskilled unfilled workers would rise if demand exceeded supply. These jobs are just as important as a highly paid public sector worker who has obtained a non-degree and that will also drive up your taxes. If you fill unskilled jobs by use of mass immigration, wages will be kept artifically low and devalue those jobs further, so it shouldn't be any wonder indigenous people can't or won't fill those jobs.

[The Lone Gunman]

The "greed" of shareholders happens to include yours and my pensions.

What does a "fair days pay for a fair days work" actually mean? sounds like some weasel word cliche from a socialist politician. These people are being paid on or above the minimum wage, so what is not fair about that?

Considering the profits made and dividends paid by some companies who pay low wages I would suggest that their wages policy is a lot less than fair.
I am not a socialist but I do have a sense of fairness and recent years have seen more and more exploitation of workers in the drive for ever increasing profits.
I don't disagree with profit, it is a good thing, but the workforce is a major contributing factor to many of these businesses. Some small recognition wouldn't go amiss.

[TimberWolf]

I am not a socialist but I do have a sense of fairness and recent years have seen more and more exploitation of workers in the drive for ever increasing profits..

Ditto. I don't see that you are obliged to throw away your morals and ethics or sense of justness to be right of centre in your politics. I'm not right wing though, I've only ever voted Tory, but I dislike all parties now. All one of them.

[Cyberman]

Sorry, but I am sceptical to say the least. After HMG stated that only 13,000 would arrive we share 1.2 MILLION official Polish immigrants with Eire.

If they have worked here for one year, they are entitled to full benefits which are much higher than they would get in Poland. In top of that, many are also claiming Child Allowance which they will not want to drop lightly. I really do not see these estimates being fulfilled.

Time will tell, but I really do not believe any figures that our 'whiter than white' government, and their cronies and quangoes supply us with.

[HairyArsedBloke]

If we did away with all these minimum wage, health and safety, social security nonsense stuff we have in Europe and the US then everything would even out and there would be no difference and hence no preference to hiring someone in the west or in the third world. Jobs for all: BOOMED!