Britain faces Iraq rout

[Diver]

Deep thinking there. Give up and they won't have to kill you. Somehow people don't seem to like just giving up to occupiers and don't seem to like handing in their family to them.

On that point. what would you do if members of your family and friends were murdering women and children by blowing up shops and markets, and going out at night murdering policemen and such.

I know exactly what I would do - pick up a phone

[Clippy]

Finally a response.

But alas, it seems that a philosophical or even slightly intellectual debate is far above the IQ level that mother nature has cruelly endowed you with.

I just added you to my buddy list in expectation of said debate, but alas ........

I suggest you invest the time spent on here spouting b0ll0cks on learning a bit about politics.

[Diver]

I suggest you invest the time spent on here spouting b0ll0cks on learning a bit about politics.

Where in our conversation has the subject of politics raised it's ugly head.
You are perhaps confused! as is understandable I suppose with such a low IQ.
We were I think, discussing a need (militarily) for a safe withdrawal from Iraq.

Judging by the content and context of your posts, recent and past, it is patently obvious that you are neither a contractor or an adult.
I will assume then that you are a juvenile.

Possibly a young girl, Foulmouthed and not very intelligent.

Does your mother know that you are posting swear words on here young lady.

[EternalOptimist]

Just for the old soldier. (Saves me explaining in detail)

http://www.answers.com/topic/enfilade-and-defilade

By the way! did you ever study Military Tactics, Perhaps you misheard and thought that the instrucor said "The best defence is to try and cause offence" but sorry no offence taken.
By the way did you manage to rise to the heady height of PFC.

Just as one old soldier to another that is

You prove my point quite neatly. It was quite possible to enfilade a napoleonic assault column, quite possible to enfilade a trench , or fixed position, quite possible to efilade a thin red line

it is totally impossible to enfilade an 'all round position' or hedgehog.
All modern units deploy in all round formation, so how the flying ****
we are going to suffer an 'enfiladed retreat' eludes me.

Mind you, i am guessing its beginning to elude you now as well. Resorting to the wiki is a bit lame diver. Enfilade means attack an unprotected flank, ie, kick him when he cant kick back, ie, the ultimate objective of military tactics.

do you really believe the british army is going to march out of Iraq in column ?

[Diver]

You prove my point quite neatly. It was quite possible to enfilade a napoleonic assault column, quite possible to enfilade a trench , or fixed position, quite possible to efilade a thin red line

it is totally impossible to enfilade an 'all round position' or hedgehog.
All modern units deploy in all round formation, so how the flying ****
we are going to suffer an 'enfiladed retreat' eludes me.

Mind you, i am guessing its beginning to elude you now as well. Resorting to the wiki is a bit lame diver. Enfilade means attack an unprotected flank, ie, kick him when he cant kick back, ie, the ultimate objective of military tactics.

do you really believe the british army is going to march out of Iraq in column ?

Your response is excellent (a considerable improvement on Clippy)

The enfilading of a static formation is possible but difficult when that formation is the ancient Hedgehog or all round position.
However, the purpose of a troop withdrawal is to withdraw the troops.
A hedgehog or ARP cannot be maintained when mobile, this is due to coordination problems, fixed position weapons such as Mortar, MG's and artillery. there is also the problem of terrain.
unless of course you are not going to withdraw those troops maintaining the static defense.
Sorry but you do show a distinct lack of tactical knowledge, which leads me to asume that you were of the ranks and not an officer.
please note the time taken to respond to your post. I did not have to google for mine

[Diver]

C'mon I've been waiting ten minutes for you to reply.

[EternalOptimist]

Your response is excellent (a considerable improvement on Clippy)

The enfilading of a static formation is possible but difficult when that formation is the ancient Hedgehog or all round position.
However, the purpose of a troop withdrawal is to withdraw the troops.
A hedgehog or ARP cannot be maintained when mobile, this is due to coordination problems, fixed position weapons such as Mortar, MG's and artillery. there is also the problem of terrain.
unless of course you are not going to withdraw those troops maintaining the static defense.
Sorry but you do show a distinct lack of tactical knowledge, which leads me to asume that you were of the ranks and not an officer.
please note the time taken to respond to your post. I did not have to google for mine

Your ideas are based on the second world war. MG's , mortars, infantry, big guns , engineers etc etc are all now 100% mobile.
A modern hedgehog is not only mobile, its usually air-mobile.


I say again, how is any withdrawal going to be enfiladed ???


Dont forget diver, there are a further three points of your stupidity that I intend to demolish.

[Diver]

google not coming up with anything

[Clippy]

I wouldn't bother EO.

Diver probably never got further than the TA's.

[EternalOptimist]

I wouldn't bother EO.

Diver probably never got further than the TA's.

I have to bother clippy, its the one area, in the whole of CUK, where I can sit on my hind legs and howl at the moon.
I studied this sh1t for 35 years