Glasgow Bombers...

[Causus Deli]

There is a difference between unemployable and worthless. I want them given a chance to get skills and stsrt to fulfill their intention.

Employing an immigrant does not cost any more than employing a non-immigrant.

Could you explain what skills it is that a sandwich maker needs, a road sweep needs, perhaps a cleaner, a waitress, a van driver, a gardener, .... These do not need some bit of paper that says you can do it, I would think supervision for a few hours in most cases.

[shaunbhoy]

But the non-immigrant would be doing feck-all anyway - cos noone would employ him/her.

Well perhaps we need to stop paying him to be unemployable thus forcing him to make himself employable or starve!! Obviously assuming his/her Human Rights are not infringed.

[Rantor]

It makes it suspicious because of their real agenda.

What happened to the doctor bombers getting beaten up by weegies on a fag break?

Crporate state employment policy and immigration - WTF?

[The Lone Gunman]

Ditto my last post.

This goes off on a whole other tack, but we should not be writing off our own, we should be training them and placing them in work. Possibly by subsidising employers or possibly making foreign imports far more expensive.
Employers are taking the piss by paying below standard wages so that locals can't take the job and then employing cheap foreignors.
It is not always the unskilled either.
A mate is a local mechanic recently made redundant (dont go that route) replaced with a Pole.
Other lads have left because Poles have reset all diagnostic machines so they cant read em.
Some of these guys are unemployed, not unemployable.

[Old Greg]

Would you not employ somebody to make sandwiches if it cost you nothing more than basic training (which you would have to do anyway)? Simple equation for the employer is it worth paying full price for an imported unit or just a little effort for a home grown one? Then perhaps after 3/12 the subsidy is half and after 12/12 nowt??? Well you know I think I would take the cheap option and see how it goes.

Let's put ourselves in the position of the employer. Who do you want to make the sandwich:

Bright young keen Polish person who has come to the country to work all the hours God sends etc. and get some work together. With no subsidy.

'Member of the underclass' with poor numeracy, literacy, motivation - patchy work record (will they turn up on time or at all? Employer has orders to fulfill. What will it do for morale to have people not pulling their wait etc.?). With subsidy.

I happen to think the answer is the first. I'm not writng off the 'member of the underclass' - I want to help them. And they need skills (and maybe that will get them used to the routine of turning up on time every day and get some motivation.)

Now take the Pole out of the equation (let's say they weren't allowed into the country). I think the employer still will not want the second option. They'll just have an unfilled vacancy.

[Old Greg]

No it doesn't but you still have to pay the guy sat on his arse.

But they'll be doing that anyway (cos employers just won't employ them - see above posts.)

[lilelvis2000]

Just because it is BNP policy does not make it bad policy.

Except of course how it will be implemented. By a marxist/socialist government.

[The Lone Gunman]

But they'll be doing that anyway (cos employers just won't employ them - see above posts.)

When the choice is employ a scrote or go bust, they will employ scrotes.

[lilelvis2000]

Did it ever occur, that we should penalise the dole sitters when a suitable job comes along and they don't even bother to apply, or in the gov't opinion make a suitable effort to obtain the job?

And how the heck did I end up on this tack?

[Causus Deli]

When the choice is employ a scrote or go bust, they will employ scrotes.

Unfortunately all unemployed are thus labelled, there may well be a proportion of these people who could not be trusted to do a worthwhile job. With a bit of encouragement I believe a large proportion would do it. Well as you say we should make them damn well do it.