Gordo's action against "artificial" companies

[DodgyAgent]

The tax burden overall is actually quite low in the UK.
What is surprising about the below is the low level in NZ

I do think that the rate of pay / level of taxes , or the level of VAT is generally too high for the low paid when compared to the high paid but the Government is not very quick to force people out to work and instead spoon feed them benefits to stay in bed.

Also other countries have a slightly higher tax rate (such as the Netherlands) but are totally corrupt so the level of tax you actually pay may be lower.
Itally for example, has in the past just taken 10% out of all bank accounts without notice but there tax system is a little shall we say erratic.



Reference from: http://www.dol.gov/ilab/media/report...ok/chart22.htm
March 2007

As a share of GDP, taxes on labor (personal income, all contributions to government social security funds, and payroll taxes) were lower in the U.S. than in most European countries but higher than in all of the Asian countries.
The tax burden on labor was relatively high in Sweden and Denmark, and low in Asian countries, especially Korea.

Country Percent
U.S. 19.1
Australia 13.6
Japan 14.4
Korea 8.1
New Zealand 15.3
Austria 25.6
Denmark 28.1
France 24.6
Germany 23.4
Italy 21.3
Netherlands 19.0
Norway 18.8
Portugal 14.4
Spain 17.1
Sweden 36.5
U.K. 16.9

Why is the debate about how much tax we pay in comparison to other countries. Shoild not the debate be about what is done with the tax?

[DodgyAgent]

It makes me feel like I'm contributing something to the country.
It makes me know that I genuinely AM contributing something to the country.
The more tax I pay, the better I feel about myself.

Probably all sounds like utter tulipe to you lot, not that I give a toss.

Firstly the tax is not spent in improving the country it is spent to advance the power base of those who run the country.

The worse thing about people like you is that you think that by paying tax:

1. The social problems we have in this country are therefore someone elses problem
2. By not challenging how our tax is spent you are telling those people who squander our money to "just carry on as you are"
3. The only thing you care about is yourself and how you feel about yourself. The fact that we have 10,000 illiterate children coming out of schools each year to commit crimes and spend an entire life on welfare matters not a jot to people like you. You just pay taxes because some little socialist tells you it will be well spent is enough for people like you.

If you really cared about making the country a better place you would challenge these corrupt self interested socialists.

Me, I have a moral duty to deprive these tax squandering parasites of as much money as I can until they fulfil a contract to improve the lives of the very people that they pretend to help.

[xoggoth]

Hear hear DA. Lefties love to represent the libertarian right as selfish and opposed to any distribution. Not so in most cases, personally, I am happy for some of what I earn to go to a street cleaner who is willing to go to work and make a reasonable effort.

What we disagree with is a overcomplex state system that creates disincentives to work with an ill thought out combination of tax and benefits, that does not seriously attempt to distinguish the deserving from the undeserving and requires massive expense in terms of overpaid civil servants.

If they just combined the NI and tax systems they could probably get rid of 100K employees from the HMRC and provide more for the lower paid. Considering how the rules have converged, not very difficult, so why don't they?

Because socialism is nothing to do with concern for the disadvantged only about the growth of the state and the benefit of those who work in it.

[LegendsWear7]

Xoggoth & DA : Bang on.

Why do so many people struggle to get their heads round this ?

[DodgyAgent]

Affluent middle class people who support the socialist tax model think that so doing gives them sort of moral integrity. In actual fact it has the opposite effect. It shows these people to be the incredibly selfish cowards that they truly are. By not questioning how tax is spent they essentially "do not care". They are paying money to sustain a liberal elite and a poor underclass who they believe should feel grateful for their patronage.
cowards because they dare not confront and deal with the day to day social problems themselves, choosing to stay detached in their middle class suburbs and absolving themselves from responsibility through payment of taxes.
If they are going to slavishly pay their taxes to support such an evil system then the least they can do is help clean up the mess when things go wrong. Asylum seekers this way please.

[DodgyAgent]

And I deeply resent, to my very core, paying for the useless, State heading, Normal Hartnell designed frumpy frock wearing, bejewelled crown donning, gold gilded pram trawling, ribbon cutting, corgi owning, posh relly hanger on supporting, Buck House gaff living, horse breeding and racing supporting, greedy tax sponging already rich in her own right battleaxe known as 'Our Lil.'

well you would wouldnt you? Like the Telegraph she does not go down well with your socialist indoctrinated guilt complex does she? You would not recognise a decent hard working person if one sat on your face and dropped their guts on it.

[pisces]

So all he's done is raise the rate of corporation tax for us lot then....and that's it?

But IR35 and all the uncertainty remains. Hardly helping the Self-Employed and small buisnesses is he?

what a **** and he's soon to be PM as well, heaven help us all

[Alf W]

Brown becomes PM and then later suffers the humiliation of being one of the shortest serving PMs in UK political history.

Then who do we get as Chancellor. Slimy George Osbourne eeeuuuwww!!

BTW, f**k you Brown. I get all my fags Duty Free!


The higher you raise your bar-ri-errs
The less tax I will pay...

[The Farmer]

"where has all the money gone?"

Menzies-Campbell

[The Farmer]

It makes me feel like I'm contributing something to the country.
It makes me know that I genuinely AM contributing something to the country.
The more tax I pay, the better I feel about myself.

Probably all sounds like utter tulipe to you lot, not that I give a toss.

Sounds like tulipe?...Yes

Give a toss?...No

Contributing to the country?...If you were a permie in civil service....No

Now a contractor for EDS/ CAP GEM...... You (SA) probably are!

Contributing something to the country?....Yes in your little world, fraid not in mine.

Do not kid yourself.