Gordo's action against "artificial" companies

[BoredBloke]

"** when I was a permie civil servant."

So the job you do now which is so different to that of a permie civil servant, does it entail going on site using the skills you picked up as a permie civil servant and working along side permies, who depending on the client, might well be permie civil servants.

"**Quite well - I'd love to see the figures on how much extra tax he's captured."

And so would we, but the IR are unable to give us this information. The PMG has been asked this in the house but could not answer it.

[hyperD]

No it wasn't - it was designed to catch contractors who are for all intents and purposes, employees.

I've worked with a sh*t load of them over the years, and I know the difference! And I'm not one.

Good! Glad you can work that out yourself. I'm assuming you've looked at all their contracts, line by line.

And also, I asume you've submited all your contracts for review by the HMRC, stood by your principles and obligued accordingly?

You're absolutely right though - us lot should be taxed much much more than we are. It needs to be addressed, and I have faith in Gordon that he'll do just that.

Yes, I agree. All small business should be taxed to the point of not being able to invest in their business and have the opportunity to grow and create wealth. I mean, despite my company bidding for contracts with other companies in a competitive arena, I should be prevented fiscally from investing in my company to employ people to take advantage of growth, for instance. FFS...

Unlike you bunch of tory toffs, I believe in paying taxes, and I believe the rich should pay more than (and in a lot of cases pay FOR) the poor.

This is so pavlovian and lacks so much thought in soe many levels, I despair at so called business people's ability to think and argue business principles coherently in our present society.

Bring it on Gordon - I welcome it.

Sadly, if you do, you'll end up being one of the people being shafted by his policies: once the economy goes tango uniform, you'll lose your contract job, you'll traipse over to the benefits office and find, as one of gordon's "tax avoiders", you won't be able to claim your precious benefits that you'll suddenly proclaim with a loud voice that "the rich must pay for"

I think of all the ridiculous postings that have been made over the years, Chico's pales into insignificance compared with your most recent. I can only hope you were being tongue-in-cheek.

[Mervalous]

Unlike you bunch of tory toffs, I believe in paying taxes, and I believe the rich should pay more than (and in a lot of cases pay FOR) the poor.

I dont come here much and never had anything against but now you do sound like a left bloody socialist!

Why should someone who earns more money through hard work pay for someone who earns less money no matter how they earn it?

[s2budd]

Taxes

The tax burden overall is actually quite low in the UK.
What is surprising about the below is the low level in NZ

I do think that the rate of pay / level of taxes , or the level of VAT is generally too high for the low paid when compared to the high paid but the Government is not very quick to force people out to work and instead spoon feed them benefits to stay in bed.

Also other countries have a slightly higher tax rate (such as the Netherlands) but are totally corrupt so the level of tax you actually pay may be lower.
Itally for example, has in the past just taken 10% out of all bank accounts without notice but there tax system is a little shall we say erratic.



Reference from: http://www.dol.gov/ilab/media/report...ok/chart22.htm
March 2007

As a share of GDP, taxes on labor (personal income, all contributions to government social security funds, and payroll taxes) were lower in the U.S. than in most European countries but higher than in all of the Asian countries.
The tax burden on labor was relatively high in Sweden and Denmark, and low in Asian countries, especially Korea.

Country Percent
U.S. 19.1
Australia 13.6
Japan 14.4
Korea 8.1
New Zealand 15.3
Austria 25.6
Denmark 28.1
France 24.6
Germany 23.4
Italy 21.3
Netherlands 19.0
Norway 18.8
Portugal 14.4
Spain 17.1
Sweden 36.5
U.K. 16.9

[gingerjedi]

The simple fact of the mater is that if IR35 wasn't so punitive and balanced out the risk to tax ratio in a fairer way people wouldn't be so keen to avoid it, by his measures I have gone from paying him 30% of my income to 20% which is the opposite of what he wanted but he has forced me down that route, I and tens of thousands of others over the past few months have done the same so I guess he'll be scratching his head and wondering why it doesn't add up in a few months time.

[hyperD]

This doesn't take into account of other secondary taxes, such as NI, council tax, fuel duty, VED, inheritance tax, stamp duty, cap gains etc does it?

[Denny]

In part Sal, I agree.

I do, however, resent to my very core, paying for the lay about, lazy b@stard, useless, Lacoste wearing, Nike shod, Elizabeth Duke gold adorned, baseball cap done up too tight and perched precariously but still stylishly sideways upon shaven tramlined head, Job Seekers Allowance claiming, dope smoking in front of daytime telly, shopping in Maccy D's, Booze Busters and JJB only, populous which we are currently supporting.

Just my opinion though.

And I deeply resent, to my very core, paying for the useless, State heading, Normal Hartnell designed frumpy frock wearing, bejewelled crown donning, gold gilded pram trawling, ribbon cutting, corgi owning, posh relly hanger on supporting, Buck House gaff living, horse breeding and racing supporting, greedy tax sponging already rich in her own right battleaxe known as 'Our Lil.'

[DimPrawn]

Just like the good old days. Banging on about taxes.

If you don't like the taxes here, you are free to leave.

[BoredBloke]

"The tax burden overall is actually quite low in the UK."

Does that include all the stealth taxes and the taxes applied to duty etc? While income tax and NI + employers NI might seem low, a large and growing chunk seems to find its way back to the government through various forms of taxation.

[threaded]

The tax burden overall is actually quite low in the UK.

Sorry, but that is utter bollox. I am pretty sure that just about everyone reading this board would pay lower taxes in Denmark than they would in the UK.

I know I do, and yet I pay the highest rate in Denmark...