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    #21
    Originally posted by hobnob View Post

    You're exaggerating. Reform got 14.3% of the vote, not 20%. See:
    2024 general election: Performance of Reform and the Greens (parliament.uk)



    I don't know about that. I'm no fan of Farage, but I have to acknowledge that he's got a cult of personality going on. Basically, when he moved from UKIP to Reform, he took most of their voters with him.



    So more than the lib dems, a party that has been in government and nearly 2/3 of the Conservative vote.

    More than greens, dup, plaid Cymru & Sinn Fein put together. Pretty good on their first outing in elections.

    Not exaggerated - maybe next time they will need to go back to their constituencies and prepare for Government? They just need to show they can be better than the others, hardly a high bar with the idiots in Lab & Cons.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...e-by-party-uk/

    Basically they are now the third party after a few weeks campaigning, the electorate are already turning on "two Lie".

    UKIP had been infiltrated by BNP style racists, reform mainly has filtered them out and anyway MPs & Councillors are shouting Allah Akbar now.

    Our Nige for PM its not like Liz & Bozzo were good at it.

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      #22
      Originally posted by vetran View Post




      So more than the lib dems, a party that has been in government and nearly 2/3 of the Conservative vote.

      More than greens, dup, plaid Cymru & Sinn Fein put together. Pretty good on their first outing in elections.

      Not exaggerated - maybe next time they will need to go back to their constituencies and prepare for Government? They just need to show they can be better than the others, hardly a high bar with the idiots in Lab & Cons.

      https://www.statista.com/statistics/...e-by-party-uk/

      Basically they are now the third party after a few weeks campaigning, the electorate are already turning on "two Lie".

      UKIP had been infiltrated by BNP style racists, reform mainly has filtered them out and anyway MPs & Councillors are shouting Allah Akbar now.

      Our Nige for PM its not like Liz & Bozzo were good at it.
      I disagree that they are the third party .Like the LDs under Clegg they benefitted from a bravura performance at a time when people were looking for a change. Like the LDs they have no viable policies, only a load of populist ideas that are already out there in one form or another. If (when?) Starmer cocks up, I rather doubt the people will suddenly flock to Reform to bail them out.

      And for all his manifest personal faults, Boris did actually deliver a few things that really mattered. Churchill and Thatcher weren't exactly conventional PMs either, but they got things done. Perhaps a degree of maverick is necessary to be a statesman.
      Blog? What blog...?

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        #23
        Originally posted by cojak View Post

        I thought that was the Anarchist mantra.

        (Although black and Red flags are a little too conformist for my liking. As an Anarchist you should be able to wave any colour flag you like.)
        You've got to be careful with that, lest you tread on the toes of other organisations.
        Last edited by Zigenare; 21 August 2024, 03:49.

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          #24
          Originally posted by malvolio View Post

          I disagree that they are the third party .Like the LDs under Clegg they benefitted from a bravura performance at a time when people were looking for a change. Like the LDs they have no viable policies, only a load of populist ideas that are already out there in one form or another. If (when?) Starmer cocks up, I rather doubt the people will suddenly flock to Reform to bail them out.

          And for all his manifest personal faults, Boris did actually deliver a few things that really mattered. Churchill and Thatcher weren't exactly conventional PMs either, but they got things done. Perhaps a degree of maverick is necessary to be a statesman.
          If you look at the Statista link the LDs have been bouncing along the bottom at less than 12% for years. They were considered the third party, if Reform repeat that success then the LDs are toast.

          Policies aren't too bad, they are talking about controlling immigration which is a key topic for most.

          https://assets.nationbuilder.com/ref...pdf?1718625371

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            #25
            Originally posted by vetran View Post

            If you look at the Statista link the LDs have been bouncing along the bottom at less than 12% for years. They were considered the third party, if Reform repeat that success then the LDs are toast.

            Policies aren't too bad, they are talking about controlling immigration which is a key topic for most.

            https://assets.nationbuilder.com/ref...pdf?1718625371
            Talking is fine. Having a plan to do it is something else - as Labour are demonstrating right now.
            Blog? What blog...?

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              #26
              With the exception of Lee Anderson who is a proper MP (despite the fact that he’s horrible), none of the other Reform MPs will get a second time, as being a constituent MP is hard work and often thankless outside of that constituency. I doubt that they’ll be arsed with it and will be happy with the title ‘former MP’ and the redundancy payment.

              "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
              - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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                #27
                Originally posted by NotAllThere
                Furthermore, at the next GE, hopefully the Tories will have sorted themselves out; if so, those who voted Reform in protest against the shower of tulip, will vote for the Tories instead,

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                  #28
                  Farage cant stop lying. In an interview he claimed his does not receive all the money he declared from GB News as it is paid into his limited company and he draws very little. However, his company still shows as non-trading.
                  "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by NotAllThere
                    Nope, not under FPT. What matters is how many seats you get, not the percentage of the popular votes. There are more constituencies where LD can get the most votes than there are constituencies where Reform can get the most votes.

                    Furthermore, at the next GE, hopefully the Tories will have sorted themselves out; if so, those who voted Reform in protest against the shower of tulip, will vote for the Tories instead,
                    Maybe reform will field more MPs in future and become a credible alternative? Whilst people are accusing them of being a protest vote that was where the greens were years ago.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by vetran View Post

                      Maybe reform will field more MPs in future and become a credible alternative? Whilst people are accusing them of being a protest vote that was where the greens were years ago.
                      When their leader comes up with a workable proposal to address any of the major issues we face right now and can dream up a better excuse for being out of the country than "putting Clacton on the international stage" ( ), then we might just feel they are trying to be a genuine political party. So far, they are an amusing sideshow.
                      Blog? What blog...?

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