Biden Resigns

[Zigenare]

Really?

Vetran is rather blinkered when it comes to Israel, it would appear that in his eyes Israel can do no wrong and that wiping every Palestinian off the face of the planet will still not be sufficient for the atrocities commited on 07/10/2023.

A bit like England wiping out the Irish after the various bomb attacks on civilians in England - oh, hang on a miniute, that didn't happen, did it? We've never had a "For every one of ours you kill we'll kill at least 40 of yours" policy.

[vetran]

Vetran is rather blinkered when it comes to Israel, it would appear that in his eyes Israel can do no wrong and that wiping every Palestinian off the face of the planet will still not be sufficient for the atrocities commited on 07/10/2023.

A bit like England wiping out the Irish after the various bomb attacks on civilians in England - oh, hang on a miniute, that didn't happen, did it? We've never had a "For every one of ours you kill we'll kill at least 40 of yours" policy.

Hamas have declared in their constitution the intent to eliminate Israel & the Jews. They have then suggested they will start on the unbelievers.

After giving Palestinians back Gaza Israel have had rocket fire directed at their civilian areas by the democratically elected Hamas yet have built Iron Dome to reduce the rockets effectiveness by 90% and bomb shelters in most houses to reduce injuries. This was done in the hope that by not retaliating Hamas and Palestinians would realise the futility of their actions. These are a matter of public record and has been happening for decades.

Most other countries with Israel's military capabilities would follow the rockets back with larger weapons and eliminate the area they came from pretty much with little care of the casualties (see Ukraine).

Israel "COULD DO WRONG" but choose not to. Every accusation raised against them tends to either be an understandable mistake or a lie.

Imagine if the US were attacking Raffa half the citizens would be dead now especially as many of them willingly act as human shields.

As there are Millions of "Palestinians" around one of the world's best regarded militaries are doing a tulip job of wiping them off the face of the Earth. Israel probably have killed 10,000 non combatants very much fewer than Yemen, Jordan where millions of Muslims have been murdered by Muslims. Get your arse out and protest for them. The combatant to civilian kill ratio is batter than any previous wars.

[vetran]

Really?

Have you seen any of the Footage of October 7th?

Are Hamas the Elected government of Gazah?

[NotAllThere]

Have you seen any of the Footage of October 7th?

Are Hamas the Elected government of Gazah?

They are. This from Private Eye just after the murders/rapes/tortures and kidnappings.


While Gazans have been living under a terrorist dictatorship, with no right to complain, dissent, or, since 2006, to vote, Hamas has practiced its brutality on them, erasing its own humanity in the process. Now, in brutalising Israelis, it has turned Gazans not just into human shields, but into weapons, probably hoping that provoking their deaths by hiding among them will eventually lead to the destruction of Israel. It is as disgusting as it is cynical.

Hamas has failed its people, but we should not.

All of which means the near-impossible must be achieved. Gazans must be protected, but Hamas must be held to account.

[vetran]

They are. This from Private Eye just after the murders/rapes/tortures and kidnappings.


While Gazans have been living under a terrorist dictatorship, with no right to complain, dissent, or, since 2006, to vote, Hamas has practiced its brutality on them, erasing its own humanity in the process. Now, in brutalising Israelis, it has turned Gazans not just into human shields, but into weapons, probably hoping that provoking their deaths by hiding among them will eventually lead to the destruction of Israel. It is as disgusting as it is cynical.

Hamas has failed its people, but we should not.

All of which means the near-impossible must be achieved. Gazans must be protected, but Hamas must be held to account.

Totally.

Israel is trying to bring Hamas down while hurting as few innocent Gazans as possible. Just as with the french resistance in WW2 the more help they give the less citizens are hurt and the sooner Hamas (and other terrorist groups) are eliminated.

Obvious to those without an agenda.

[woody1]

Have you seen any of the Footage of October 7th?

Are Hamas the Elected government of Gazah?

What's that got to do with this statement you made:

"Odd that the EU and plenty of other countries want to recognise the terrorist run Hamas rape and murder terrorist state?"

You really believe that about the EU?

[Zigenare]

Israel probably have killed 10,000 non combatants very much fewer than Yemen, Jordan where millions of Muslims have been murdered by Muslims. Get your arse out and protest for them. The combatant to civilian kill ratio is batter than any previous wars.

I think you're probably incorrect in your assumption.

[vetran]

What's that got to do with this statement you made:

"Odd that the EU and plenty of other countries want to recognise the terrorist run Hamas rape and murder terrorist state?"

You really believe that about the EU?

well as the majority of members have its likely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palest...l%20aspiration.

[vetran]

I think you're probably incorrect in your assumption.

All casualty figures are guesses and assumptions.

10-15,000 as declared by Israel are their figures not as credible as Hamas?

Its less than the millions killed in Muslim nations by Muslims.

How many non combatants do you think have been killed by Israel - lets ignore the ones that Hamas or their friends blew up with their own rockets, shot as disobedient, or by setting fire to their ammunition dumps in civilian areas.

Of course if the Palestinians want to stop the fighting they could return the hostages and surrender.

[SueEllen]

Of course if the Hamas want to stop the fighting they could return the hostages and surrender.

FTFY

The ordinary Palestinians on the West Bank and live abroad have no more influence on Hamas than those that are at their mercy in Gaza.

Or are you saying that everyone who is Catholic in NI was a member of the IRA?