Where is all the money being spent?

[vetran]

Well maybe, but the inputs could be better too. Obesity is at 25% of Adults and is a major cause of all diseases + outcomes from treatment are severely reduced with obesity. One of my eye openers whilst having dialysis were the amount of type 2 diabetics on the ward, some with missing limbs, at least 50% and up to 70-80% some days.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/pr...ddn-20210721-2

While 45% of adults living in the EU had a normal weight in 2019, slightly more than half (53%) were considered as overweight (36% pre-obese and 17% obese) and almost 3% as underweight, according to their body mass index (BMI). BMI is a measure of a person’s weight relative to their height that links fairly well with body fat.

With the exception of those aged 75 or over, the older the age group, the higher the share of overweight people: the lowest share was recorded among those aged 18 to 24 (25%), while those aged 65 to 74 had the highest share (66%) – similarly for the obesity rate (6% vs. 22%).

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...#39;overweight'.

The Health Survey for England 2021 estimates that 25.9% of adults in England are obese and a further 37.9% are overweight but not obese. Obesity is usually defined as having a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or above. BMI between 25 and 30 is classified as ‘overweight’.

The survey, published in December 2022, found that men are more likely than women to be overweight or obese (68.6% of men, 59.0% of women). People aged 45-74 are most likely to be overweight or obese.

seem similar.

not arguing that some things need to change but blaming patients is probably not the only cause.

[WTFH]

Is the answer foreigners?

Do we spend too much money on foreigners, or stash too much money away in foreign tax havens? Too many non-doms, off shore trusts, not enough people at the top who want to be British?

[Gibbon]

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/pr...ddn-20210721-2



https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...#39;overweight'.



seem similar.

not arguing that some things need to change but blaming patients is probably not the only cause.

Two things, is 17% similar to 25%? and I didn't say it was the only cause (in fact I didn't suggest 'blaming' patients was a cause of anything).

[vetran]

Is the answer foreigners?

Do we spend too much money on foreigners, or stash too much money away in foreign tax havens? Too many non-doms, off shore trusts, not enough people at the top who want to be British?

Well in part because we have stopped stealing staff from poorer countries there is a shortage of staff.

As all governments have encouraged immigration but have only gone so far as to repaint hospitals like housing there are fewer services than we need.

Everyone it seems want to be British, that is why they flee nice safe France in Dinghies in record numbers!

[vetran]

Two things, is 17% similar to 25%? and I didn't say it was the only cause (in fact I didn't suggest 'blaming' patients was a cause of anything).

It does seem to be the cause everyone reaches for when poor outcomes are mentioned, the fact the NHS has decided to have fewer Beds, Machines (MRI etc) and medical staff per capita is never mentioned. Remember we spend about the same per capita.

https://www.euronews.com/health/2023...7%20per%20cent).

The obesity rate was 21 per cent in the UK (2017 data). In the EU’s so-called "Big Four" economies, Germany (19 per cent) had the highest obesity rate, followed by Spain (16 per cent), France (15 per cent) and Italy (11.7 per cent).

I am sure obesity is relevant for some issues but if that is the main reason then Germany & Spain should top the next charts.

https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/...nt/ec2b395b-en

Why for instance does the UK have 3 times as many deaths from preventable causes as Luxembourg or 1.5 times Iceland or a third more than Spain?

[WTFH]

It's being spent defending & paying the costs for criminals who could afford to pay for their own defence, and should be paying the costs for their guilt, but no, the government decides it's a good use of taxpayer's money:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68790427
(I'm sure it's in the Fail/Torygraph/Express/GBeebies as well, but this was the first link that I found)

[edison]

According to a 2019 OECD report, Brits had the highest proportion of obese and overweight people in Western Europe. Another significant reason why we have relatively poor health outcomes is overall regional inequality and significant poverty in certain areas plus poor housing which has a major impact on health and wellbeing.

Arguably the biggest factor is the dire state of the UK social care system which has a huge knock on impact to the NHS. The NHS picks up a lot of the overflow. A classic example is high dependency patients who spend days and weeks stuck in hospital because they cannot be released until a social care package is set up for them.

Long delays in getting tests and scans is a significant factor in being unable to diagnose and treat conditions earlier which ends up costing more to treat in the long run.

[sadkingbilly]

I am sure obesity is relevant for some issues

yeh, most of your issues, anyway.

[WTFH]

According to a 2019 OECD report, Brits had the highest proportion of obese and overweight people in Western Europe. ...

Cue the response:
"But we're not in Europe any more"

[vetran]

According to a 2019 OECD report, Brits had the highest proportion of obese and overweight people in Western Europe. Another significant reason why we have relatively poor health outcomes is overall regional inequality and significant poverty in certain areas plus poor housing which has a major impact on health and wellbeing.

Arguably the biggest factor is the dire state of the UK social care system which has a huge knock on impact to the NHS. The NHS picks up a lot of the overflow. A classic example is high dependency patients who spend days and weeks stuck in hospital because they cannot be released until a social care package is set up for them.

Long delays in getting tests and scans is a significant factor in being unable to diagnose and treat conditions earlier which ends up costing more to treat in the long run.

See again its all the patients fault!

Too few beds, machines , staff and badly managed provision are obviously not an issue.