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    Lost the plot completely

    Not only do homeless charities provide tents but so do councils who can't accommodate single people including in the past some children in their teens, and the prison service to ex-cons who have nowhere to go.

    Oh and homeless people do move their tents from the front of shops and bars before they open, however it is around other buildings they don't.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67344806

    Home Secretary Suella Braverman is still pushing for restrictions on the use of tents by rough sleepers in England and Wales.

    The proposal was not in the King's Speech setting out the government's priorities for the year ahead.

    But a source close to Mrs Braverman insisted the idea had not been dropped.

    Downing Street said it would not speculate on whether the proposal would eventually be included in the Criminal Justice Bill.

    The bill - which was in the King's Speech - includes proposed new powers to tackle "persistent, nuisance, and organised begging".

    It is designed to replace the 1824 Vagrancy Act, which makes begging and rough sleeping a criminal offence in England and Wales.

    One senior government source told the BBC the Criminal Justice Bill had been due to start its journey into law on Wednesday, but its introduction in the Commons had been delayed by discussions about whether to include the tents idea.

    Some figures in government also have concerns the measures may face legal challenges.

    Mrs Braverman wants the bill to include fines for rough sleepers who have been warned by police about causing a nuisance, such as by refusing to move their tents from shop doorways.

    It would be aimed at those who "choose to live in tents" and had refused offers of help to get off the streets or enter drug treatment, Mrs Braverman's spokesman told the BBC.

    It would also include civil penalties for charities that supply tents to rough sleepers identified by police as having caused a nuisance.

    It would also include civil penalties for charities that supply tents to rough sleepers identified by police as having caused a nuisance.

    Mrs Braverman's announcement at the weekend - in a series of posts on X - that she wanted to restrict the use of tents sparked a backlash from homeless charities and opposition parties.

    Some Conservative MPs have also criticised the home secretary's proposal, with Natalie Elphicke saying in a post on X: "In all my years of helping people who are homeless, in cities like London and Manchester as well as my own local area in Dover and Deal, at no time, ever, has anyone said the answer lies in the removal of tents."

    In her statement, the home secretary said the government would always support those who are genuinely homeless, but added: "We cannot allow our streets to be taken over by rows of tents occupied by people, many of them from abroad, living on the streets as a lifestyle choice."

    "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

    #2
    As an ex-Tory voter, I genuinely don’t get this. Most Brits are not mean-spirited. Putting aside the substance, it’s completely moronic as an electoral strategy.

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      #3
      Every major supermarket now has at least one beggar outside.
      Its big business.

      Now if only we had built some flaming houses we would have somewhere to put the homeless.

      badly targeted I agree.
      Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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        #4
        I'm torn on this one. People have to have some where safe to slip but giving in to the easiest route is going to cause a problem we can't come back from. I don't think giving everyone carte blanche to use tents is the way. It's going to get worse and worse to point it looks like something from the US scare stories. They will be everywhere. But we have to have something in place to counter it, which it appears they don't. Tough situation.
        'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!

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          #5
          How do you fine someone who doesn't have any money?

          Also, does the bill include the cost of a reintegration programme for people who have been long-term living on the streets and have no idea how to cope with living indoors, how to maintain the property, how to pay the bills, etc etc etc?

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            #6
            Originally posted by vetran View Post
            Every major supermarket now has at least one beggar outside.
            Its big business.

            Now if only we had built some flaming houses we would have somewhere to put the homeless.
            In my town the "homeless" beggars are pretty much all drug/alcohol addicts who have a room in a hostel, or better, and can be quite aggressive in their demands to unsuspecting folk. There are some genuinely homeless people but they tend not to beg and quite a few of them are holding down jobs.

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              #7
              one solution!

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              Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Snooky View Post

                In my town the "homeless" beggars are pretty much all drug/alcohol addicts who have a room in a hostel, or better, and can be quite aggressive in their demands to unsuspecting folk. There are some genuinely homeless people but they tend not to beg and quite a few of them are holding down jobs.
                You seem to be confusing begging with homelessness. They're not the same thing.
                Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post

                  You seem to be confusing begging with homelessness. They're not the same thing.
                  Nah you missed the bit in the legislation that covered begging.

                  Two separate issues but are frequently conflated by the lefties.
                  e.g. Beggars beg because they are homeless.
                  Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                    #10
                    Kier Starmer thinks Cruella needs to be sacked

                    "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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