Good start magic Auntie

[JustKeepSwimming]

This could have been done and enforced when the UK was part of the EU. In fact some EU members have similar rules.

Yes they could have, and we could have veto'ed everything. However in 2016 the EU elites were clearly on a trajectory that the UK disagreed with and at best they were paying lip service to any dissenters. It seems now the new elites are waking up to the idea that they can't just force and bully federalisation onto all members.

[SueEllen]

oh so being an EU member doesn't require you to be a member of the ECHR? Can you quote a reference?

A moot point in the UK's case as I'm sure you have heard of the Good Friday Agreement.


(Worth noting I did a quick google and found this - https://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/eu...ns-and-answers In other words the EU hasn't even joined yet. )

[vetran]

A moot point in the UK's case as I'm sure you have heard of the Good Friday Agreement.


(Worth noting I did a quick google and found this - https://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/eu...ns-and-answers In other words the EU hasn't even joined yet. )

The good Friday agreement is to allow the UK to leave the EU and continued membership of the ECHR after we left the EU was an agreed term.

TO BE A MEMBER OF THE EU REQUIRES YOU TO BE A MEMBER OF ECHR - REPEATED LOUDER FOR THE HARD OF HEARING.

On second point You know the EU isn't a country? The move towards wishing to be recognised as one was a key part of Brexit.

[SueEllen]

Well this is likely to end the EU as we know it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-ukraine-china

Migration could be “a dissolving force for the European Union” due to deep cultural differences between European countries and their long-term inability to reach a common policy, the EU’s most senior diplomat has said.

[SueEllen]

The good Friday agreement is to allow the UK to leave the EU and continued membership of the ECHR after we left the EU was an agreed term.

It was one of the agreed terms that stated the UK had to remain in the ECHR.

You are aware they are 47 members of the ECHR and only 27 EU members?

The ECHR isn't an EU institution unlike the European Court of Justice. (We have to stay in that under Brexit as well.)

You still haven't explained why the UK should leave an institution it was instrumental in forming.

TO BE A MEMBER OF THE EU REQUIRES YOU TO BE A MEMBER OF ECHR - REPEATED LOUDER FOR THE HARD OF HEARING.

Instead of shouting show me a link.

On second point You know the EU isn't a country? The move towards wishing to be recognised as one was a key part of Brexit.

In your view.

[JustKeepSwimming]

There is no deep misunderstanding between memberstates. There is systemic delusion among the EU elites.

Memberstates, as in the populace, are broadly in agreement. Immigration is OK if controlled. Mass uncontrolled immigration is not OK.

Fortunately for us, FPTP keeps extremists out of power. Same can't be said for PR in Europe and why you will start seeing more far right parties gaining power.

[Snooky]

Instead of shouting show me a link.

This is the closest I could find - states which have become members since 1989 are expected to become parties to the ECHR as soon as possible, ideally within one year

https://web.archive.org/web/20100110...4/ERES1031.HTM

Of course that resolution is now almost 20 years old and things may have changed since then.

[JustKeepSwimming]

This is the closest I could find - states which have become members since 1989 are expected to become parties to the ECHR as soon as possible, ideally within one year

https://web.archive.org/web/20100110...4/ERES1031.HTM

Of course that resolution is now almost 20 years old and things may have changed since then.

It's Article 6 of the Treaty of Lisbon. It's got a bit of legalese barrier (due to EU law) but it does mean that ECHR membership is a condition of EU membership.

[JustKeepSwimming]

In your view.

Backed up by polling.

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/0...voted-and-why/

'Ever closer union' aka 'sovereignty' were the top 3 reasons for the leave vote.

[vetran]

Well this is likely to end the EU as we know it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-ukraine-china

yep saw that in the wail, resisted posting it as it would just result in a slanging match on here. But it seems the shine is coming off migration in the EU.