Oh dear what a pity, Karma is a bitch.

[sadkingbilly]

Get the Torches and Pitchforks ready people!!

[NotAllThere]

Get the Torches and Pitchforks ready people!!

I read that as "the Tories". Nobody deserves that...

sadly technically I suspect it does.

Maybe the undrestanding is that "yes" once means "yes" everafter without needing to ask.

[vetran]

I'm fully aware why prosecutions fail. Frankly you kind unwittingly highlighted the point by not understanding consent. Not to mention consent can be withdrawn during the act and failure to cease immediatele is rape.

You completely ignored the nine 'no's prior to the 'yes'. Do you not think that raises the question of undue influence?

I covered withdrawal of consent.

I didn't ignore the nos I just pointed out the jury might. Are you saying asking someone more than once is now basically rape?

As mentioned in my references consent is a continuous process. If "no means no" what does yes mean?

[vetran]

Maybe the undrestanding is that "yes" once means "yes" everafter without needing to ask.

Of course it doesn't but yes must mean something?

"Oh no it doesn't when I change my mind after the act" is not going to fly.

[woody1]

Thing is, unless the dialogue was recorded, or there were witnesses, it's often academic. It just becomes a case of "he says, she says", which is why the CPS hardly ever agrees to charge. Even if it does get to court, the jury is faced with the same dilemma, hence the very low conviction rate.

[JustKeepSwimming]

I covered withdrawal of consent.

Not how this reads...

If they are sober, capable, of age and say yes and then don't change their mind to say no before the act that seems to meet the standard.

I didn't ignore the nos I just pointed out the jury might. Are you saying asking someone more than once is now basically rape?

No i'm not. I'm disputing when you said;

If they are sober, capable, of age and say yes and then don't change their mind to say no before the act that seems to meet the standard.

As mentioned in my references consent is a continuous process. If "no means no" what does yes mean?

Well no doesn't always mean no.

[SueEllen]

Well no doesn't always mean no.

It does unless you want to be accused of rape or sexual assault.

[NotAllThere]

Thing is, unless the dialogue was recorded, or there were witnesses, it's often academic. It just becomes a case of "he says, she says", which is why the CPS hardly ever agrees to charge. Even if it does get to court, the jury is faced with the same dilemma, hence the very low conviction rate.

Have you read the text messages?


It's not a good look, is it?

[SueEllen]

https://metro.co.uk/2023/09/18/russe...ories_home_top

Report from Soho in 2003.

We can't discuss it for legal reasons, but the reports are going to start coming in.

[SueEllen]

Oh and he did indulge in sexual harassment at work and on air.

Remember news readers don't have right to reply.

https://metro.co.uk/2023/09/18/russe...aled-19515379/