The Nasty Party

[SueEllen]

I keep hearing this story on the radio. The radio and other news outlets have asked for comment and a statement was released where the story hasn't been denied.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/tor...103103632.html

A CHARITY boss has claimed Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick told staff at an asylum reception centre to paint over wall art meant to be “welcoming” for children.

CEO of the Refugee Council, Enver Solomon, told the i Paper that Jenrick gave the order on the same visit to the Kent asylum intake unit earlier this year in which he also told workers to take down colourful welcome signs.

Apparently, this was to make clear how the centre wasn’t a “welcome centre” but a “law enforcement environment”.

Recounting the minister’s visit, Solomon said: “The Immigration Minister said pictures of cartoons and animals must be removed and that staff should make sure they are painted over, as they give an impression of welcoming, which Jenrick didn’t want to show.

“This demonstrates that the hostile environment has become so entrenched, that today we have lost sight of humanity.”
It comes after the House of Lords demanded a string of changes to the Illegal Migration Bill on Monday including strict time limits on the detention of children and pregnant women, protections for victims of modern slavery and safeguards for the care of unaccompanied youngsters.

The bill aims to ensure those who arrive in the UK without permission will be detained and promptly removed, either to their home country or a third country.

Provisional figures showed more than 11,000 migrants had so far made the Channel crossing this year, with a record for June of 3824.

A Home Office spokesman told i: “We do all we can to ensure children are safe, secure and supported as we urgently seek placements with a local authority.

“All children receive a welfare interview on their arrival at accommodation, which includes questions designed to identify potential indicators of trafficking or safeguarding issues.

“Our priority is to stop the boats and disrupt the people smugglers. The government has gone further by introducing legislation which will ensure that those people arriving in the UK illegally are detained and promptly removed to their country of origin or a safe third country.”

[woohoo]

Sounds like a non issue just designed to stir up some uproar.

[northernladuk]

wall art meant to be “welcoming” for children.

colourful welcome signs.

So exactly what was it. Colourful to settle children, maybe OK. Says 'Welcome' wholly not right.

Apparently, this was to make clear how the centre wasn’t a “welcome centre” but a “law enforcement environment”.

He's right and it depends on exactly what it says. Nothing wrong with something to settle frightened children but wholly wrong as a welcome to the country.

But....

Sounds like a non issue just designed to stir up some uproar.

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Totally this. And I bet it will.

[vetran]

So exactly what was it. Colourful to settle children, maybe OK. Says 'Welcome' wholly not right.



He's right and it depends on exactly what it says. Nothing wrong with something to settle frightened children but wholly wrong as a welcome to the country.

But....

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Totally this. And I bet it will.

considering the majority of Asylum seekers 'identifying as children' turn out to be lying surely a Bar & Strip club would be more appropiate?

[NotAllThere]

considering the majority of Asylum seekers 'identifying as children' turn out to be lying ...

Really? The Refugee Council of the UK say different.

In 2019, local authorities received 798 age dispute referrals. The Home Office states that 494 of these were ultimately deemed to be children, and 304 adults. In the same time period, 2,977 child applicants did not have their age disputed.

In the past five years, 2,135 of the 155,268 people who claimed asylum in the UK were accused of lying about their age. In other words: more than 98% of asylum seekers were not accused of lying, and of the 1.4% who were, there aren't any figures for how many were found to be lying.

As does Migration Watch UK

The system for checking the age of asylum claimants is so loose that it gives the benefit of the doubt to those saying without proof that they are minors. In the midst of this, there has been a major rise in asylum fraud by adults pretending to be children, with two in three (66%) concluded disputes in the year to September 2021 revealing that the person was 18 or over

The only article I could find backing your contention is from the Wail who wrote

66 per cent of those claiming to be children were in fact not – compared with 47 per cent in 2019/20.

This is clearly drawing on the Migration Watch analysis and is an example of the appallingly lazy journalistic standards - or possibly just pandering to their more cretinous readers.

You see- it's 66% of concluded disputes. Not 66% of seekers 'identifying as children'.

[vetran]

Really? The Refugee Council of the UK say different.



As does Migration Watch UK



The only article I could find backing your contention is from the Wail who wrote
This is clearly drawing on the Migration Watch analysis and is an example of the appallingly lazy journalistic standards - or possibly just pandering to their more cretinous readers.

You see- it's 66% of concluded disputes. Not 66% of seekers 'identifying as children'.

So its only 66% of those challenged that turned out to be liars? As its difficult both technically and politically to challenge then the majority were not challenged?

So can't say with any certainty? Its a guess then?


Even Full fact suggest its about 20% of the total. Seems like its a ploy then.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/chi...eekers-adults/

In total, 2,722 people claiming to be unaccompanied children were actually deemed to be adults—equivalent to 19% of all 14,208 unaccompanied children. (In practice, not all of the age disputes raised or resolved in this period would have been relating to asylum claims made during this period, so the rate is indicative, not precise)

[JustKeepSwimming]

It's always iffy when these kind of things come out.

Mainly because the person claiming it almost always have a beef to grind. Just google the guy's name and its littered with 'Tories are evil, we must welcome all migrants' articles. So it calls into questions their retelling of what was allegedly said.

Without seeing the paintings can't really comment if they are appropriate or not. 'Welcome' seems iffy tbh. Something akin to a childrens hospital seems fine.

[NotAllThere]

So its only 66% of those challenged that turned out to be liars?

That's correct. Your assertion that "the majority of Asylum seekers 'identifying as children' turn out to be lying" is wrong. Disinformation. Fake news.

[SueEllen]

It's always iffy when these kind of things come out.

Mainly because the person claiming it almost always have a beef to grind. Just google the guy's name and its littered with 'Tories are evil, we must welcome all migrants' articles. So it calls into questions their retelling of what was allegedly said.

Without seeing the paintings can't really comment if they are appropriate or not. 'Welcome' seems iffy tbh. Something akin to a childrens hospital seems fine.

So you are happy for your money as a taxpayer to be wasted painting over pictures and signs for children?

Don't you think your and my money would be better spent processing these individuals as quickly as possible especially as the majority are children and are easier to indoctrinate?

[northernladuk]

In 2019, local authorities received 798 age dispute referrals. The Home Office states that 494 of these were ultimately deemed to be children, and 304 adults. In the same time period, 2,977 child applicants did not have their age disputed.

Problem with this is the spread. So a child applicant will be anyone from birth to 18. There was a more article with indepth break down of this and I can't find it but it did the spread and it covers kids lying about being 7 when they are 9 to start school earlier and the like of which there are just a few. As you went up the age range the number of people lying about being 15 - 18 went up exponentially. 15-18 year old immigrants lying made up up a much larger percentage of the 15-18 year old age disputes. If Vetran means older kids he'd be closer to the truth. Can't remember the figures but it was something along the lines of 0-15 making up 300 of the age disputes and next to non lying but 15-18 made up 498 of the disputes and 304 were lying if you get me. The figures in a sentence like teh one above just doesn't paint the real picture.

There is also the fact that in a certain number of diputes they were unable to verify so referred back as age they claimed.

That said while lookig for the article I also found one from Full Fact that states the figure is around 20% so still greater than the Refugee Council figures. So thats 509 adults put in to schools which is the real problem. Thats' just too much whatever side of the argument you are on.

So NAT is kind of right, some of the figures, even the ones from bodies like the Refugee ones aren't correct and some just outright poppycock to stoke fear but even 20% is a serious problem.

On the flip side there Home Office have been under fire for saying many children are too old and had to be disputed back to children so the whole thing is an utter minefield.