Go woke talk tulip

[vetran]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ery-links.html

'This is one of the craziest campaigns I have ever seen': Fury at woke attempt to cancel Man United and Man City over 'slavery links' and remove iconic three-mast ship from clubs' badges

• Ships in their crests represent the slave trade, campaigners claim
• But MPs and historians say city and clubs' logos have nothing to do with slavery

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Historians say Manchester adopted ships as an emblem in 1842 at the earliest - 35 years after the slave trade had been outlawed in the British Empire. In terms of its world famous football teams, Manchester City was not fully established until 1894 and Newton Heath FC became Manchester United in 1902 - 95 years after the slave trade in the British Empire was abolished.

To call a spade a spade hey?

[SueEllen]

Do you actually know what woke means?

As from your posts it is clear you don't.

[WTFH]

Do you actually know what woke means?

As from your posts it is clear you don't.

The Hurrah are pushing these stories to keep the faithful asleep. If the faithful ever woke up and used their brains, they'd know they had been duped.

[vetran]

Do you actually know what woke means?

As from your posts it is clear you don't.

wikipedia

Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination".

so its from people of recent African extraction and its directed at discrimination aimed at them.

Being Mirriam Webster

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke

aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)...
politically liberal (as in matters of racial and social justice) especially in a way that is considered unreasonable or extreme

though in general use it does now seem to "mean make tulip up and accuse innocent people" as is the case in this story where people are trying to twist the facts to get a payout or control an outcome.


What do you THINK it means?

[vetran]

The Hurrah are pushing these stories to keep the faithful asleep. If the faithful ever woke up and used their brains, they'd know they had been duped.

how duped? Are the ship emblems even remotely linked to Atlantic slave trade? Was the completely legal 300 year Atlantic slave trade worse than the 3 millennium long sub Saharan & Indian ocean slave trade that proceeded and follows it to this day? Who sold the slaves to slave transporters? Who DIDN'T attempt to stop the slave trade? Who did stop it with money & lives?

[WTFH]

how duped? Are the ship emblems even remotely linked to Atlantic slave trade? Was the completely legal 300 year Atlantic slave trade worse than the 3 millennium long sub Saharan & Indian ocean slave trade that proceeded and follows it to this day? Who sold the slaves to slave transporters? Who DIDN'T attempt to stop the slave trade?

Duped by believing every story in the paper.
Duped by Dacre and co.

Who did stop it with money & lives?

Yes, please do tell who stopped the slave trade? Was it Paul Dacre? Was it the Hurrah?
No. The Wail only started spewing in 1896.

Are you an anti-monarchist, given the the king wants to investigate his family's links to slavery?

[vetran]

Duped by believing every story in the paper.
Duped by Dacre and co.


Yes, please do tell who stopped the slave trade? Was it Paul Dacre? Was it the Hurrah?
No. The Wail only started spewing in 1896.

Are you an anti-monarchist, given the the king wants to investigate his family's links to slavery?

Ah the wail is lying people this stupid don't exist!

Yeah sorry more refined papers like the Slaver will tell us the truth! Oh they ran the original story. The wail didn't get involved in slavery then did it?

Actually it was the UK parliament that stopped slavery, much to the disappointment of the African kings who were up to their necks in the trade for millennia.

If the king wants to examine slavery maybe he should first congratulate Parliament and the Royal Navy for stopping what internationally was a perfectly legal if vile trade.

People forget all these statues were of men fully obeying the law of the time. Now maybe what we should do for equality is pull down all monuments to African kings who sold their population into slavery and suggest they pay reparations? That make sense to you?

Paying reparations would be a bad choice in my opinion. But I am happy to get cash from among many others France, Italy, Norway and the Berbers for their offences enslaving British people.

[northernladuk]

how duped? Are the ship emblems even remotely linked to Atlantic slave trade? Was the completely legal 300 year Atlantic slave trade worse than the 3 millennium long sub Saharan & Indian ocean slave trade that proceeded and follows it to this day? Who sold the slaves to slave transporters? Who DIDN'T attempt to stop the slave trade? Who did stop it with money & lives?

The ship relates to Manchester being a hub for global trade during the 19th century although unlikely to have been directly involved in slavery I am sure it won't be hard to find someone link to some trader that is closely linked to it.

The three masts on the ship symbolize the three rivers that flow through Manchester: the Irwell, the Irk, and the Medlock

So it's a clever doff of the cap to Manchesters rich history and it's geography... but don't let some facts get in the way of a good woke campaign.

[d000hg]

I heard them discussing yesterday on a politics show. To say it doesn't represent historic links to slavery is simply implausible, Manchester was heavily involved and much of its wealth comes from that.

This doesn't mean the football club condones or was involved in slavery of course. It's not woke to be aware of such things anymore than it is for a football club with a golliwog as a mascot or a US team called "Indians" or "Savages" to be aware. Doesn't mean you have to change anything necessarily but if a company finds it has historic links or benefit from slavery, racism, genocide, whatever they should acknowledge that as part of their history.

[d000hg]

The three masts on the ship symbolize the three rivers that flow through Manchester: the Irwell, the Irk, and the Medlock

No it doesn't. They found a ship for a logo and then wanted to assign meaning to the 3 masts. If there was only one or 5 rivers the ship wouldn't have 1 or 5 masts