Ouch that is cold

[vetran]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...pensation.html

I thought justice was supposed to return you where you were as if the crime hadn't been committed?

'I lost my post office, house and marriage - now I've been shafted twice': Postmaster who lost out in Horizon IT scandal now forced to hand back £322k compensation

• Francis Duff, 80, suffered a divorce and lost his home in the Post Office scandal
• He's now been told he'll be forced to hand £322,000 compensation back

[Protagoras]

While the legal rationale is clear, it does look potentially unfair.

If the bankruptcy resulted from the system errors, then it would seem reasonable that the compensation should cover (a) the postmaster as the direct victim and (b) the bankruptcy creditors since they are indirectly victims.

I wonder if any one of those responsible for causing this mess will ever get prosecuted …

[xoggoth]

One of the most incomprehensible cases ever. Surely money apparently missing from an account was not proof against these people, wouldn't they have had to show in court that they had actually received it? And the sheer number of cases all at the same time must have indicated something was wrong with the system.

[Gibbon]

And the sheer number of cases all at the same time must have indicated something was wrong with the system.

Oh its worse than that, they (the PO) had a team whose job it was to recover monies if the system error was in the postmasters favour!

[vetran]

One of the most incomprehensible cases ever. Surely money apparently missing from an account was not proof against these people, wouldn't they have had to show in court that they had actually received it? And the sheer number of cases all at the same time must have indicated something was wrong with the system.

You would think that would happen, the Register was reporting on this for decades. It was suggesting Horizon was suspect a long time ago.

As you say you would think the lawyers would have pointed out the volume and lack of money in a very select group of individuals. Running a post office was something that required a very responsible individual of good standing.

Agree someone who ran Horizon and failed to investigate what were obviously system issues needs to go to jail.

[Protagoras]

You would think that would happen, the Register was reporting on this for decades. It was suggesting Horizon was suspect a long time ago.

As you say you would think the lawyers would have pointed out the volume and lack of money in a very select group of individuals. Running a post office was something that required a very responsible individual of good standing.

Agree someone who ran Horizon and failed to investigate what were obviously system issues needs to go to jail.

Given the scale of this, I reckon that there's more than one person eligible for the clink! Following due process, of course.

[vetran]

Given the scale of this, I reckon that there's more than one person eligible for the clink! Following due process, of course.

definitely that was more of a filter.

[SueEllen]

One of the most incomprehensible cases ever. Surely money apparently missing from an account was not proof against these people, wouldn't they have had to show in court that they had actually received it? And the sheer number of cases all at the same time must have indicated something was wrong with the system.

The post office were allowed to investigate and prosecute their own cases.

The Post Office decided that the software couldn't be wrong so if there were accounting mistakes the post master was at fault.

This was even though a union rep had been shown and a few programmers who had worked on the system pointed out that there were loads of errors in the system.

[Protagoras]

The post office were allowed to investigate and prosecute their own cases.

Somehow Horizon was omitted from their exhibition.
https://www.postalmuseum.org/blog/th...ation-branch/#

"The Post Office Solicitors’ Office has been succeeded by Royal Mail Legal Services, which continues to be recognised by the Ministry of Justice as a private prosecutor in England and Wales."

Why should such a privilege still exist?

[vetran]

Somehow Horizon was omitted from their exhibition.
https://www.postalmuseum.org/blog/th...ation-branch/#

"The Post Office Solicitors’ Office has been succeeded by Royal Mail Legal Services, which continues to be recognised by the Ministry of Justice as a private prosecutor in England and Wales."

Why should such a privilege still exist?

hey look at the Gas suppliers with forced meter changes.

These need to go on the list of things that needs fixing and passed to the next government if not completed by the current one.