Reply to: Ouch that is cold

[SueEllen]

Can't be *ed to post any inks but seen so many reports of problems over the years with some charities, lush spending on headquarters, high wages for bosses, unreasonable prosecutions, mispent money that ends up in the hands of corrupt/criminals, excessive amounts spent on political lobbying etc. Need more controls.

You missed out sexual exploitation of minors in your long list of the tulip they get up to.

[xoggoth]

Can't be *ed to post any inks but seen so many reports of problems over the years with some charities, lush spending on headquarters, high wages for bosses, unreasonable prosecutions, mispent money that ends up in the hands of corrupt/criminals, excessive amounts spent on political lobbying etc. Need more controls.

[SueEllen]

Not just the PO and Gas companies with powers you'd be surprised by. The RSPCA has (admittedly not un-restricted) access to the National Firearms Licensing System (NFLMS).

The RSPCA are the ones who will "investigate" and prosecute you for alleged animal welfare offences.

Oh and don't leave them or any large charity a percentage of your estate. If you wish to leave a charity money leave a fixed sum.

Large charities especially the RSPCA take executors to Court for not being able to get the most money from a deceased love ones estate e.g. a house that may have a market value of £1million is generally worth less as someone's estate but the charity refuses to recognise that.

[David71]

hey look at the Gas suppliers with forced meter changes.

These need to go on the list of things that needs fixing and passed to the next government if not completed by the current one.

Not just the PO and Gas companies with powers you'd be surprised by. The RSPCA has (admittedly not un-restricted) access to the National Firearms Licensing System (NFLMS).

[SueEllen]

hopefully that will cost them dearly.

The woman in charge eventually resigned.

I think she ended up on a board elsewhere soon afterwards though.

[vetran]

The supplier management said it was impossible for Horizon to be the source of errors. Er... Halting Problem anyone?

hopefully that will cost them dearly.

[NotAllThere]

The supplier management said it was impossible for Horizon to be the source of errors. Er... Halting Problem anyone?

[vetran]

I think that there's some bias in government in favour of large enterprises and against the interests of 'the people'.
I have no confidence in this government's desire or ability to fix anything.

or any previous governments.

These powers are a holdover from when they were nationalised, large landlords for instance do not have the same right to access the property to do gas safety checks which are a an annual legal requirement. I doubt Tesco or SportsDirect have the right to raise a criminal prosecution.

What should happen is a review of such rights pre/post privatisation (or merger HMRC acquiring customs & excise rights) and remove as needed.

[Protagoras]

hey look at the Gas suppliers with forced meter changes.

These need to go on the list of things that needs fixing and passed to the next government if not completed by the current one.

I think that there's some bias in government in favour of large enterprises and against the interests of 'the people'.
I have no confidence in this government's desire or ability to fix anything.

[vetran]

Somehow Horizon was omitted from their exhibition.
https://www.postalmuseum.org/blog/th...ation-branch/#

"The Post Office Solicitors’ Office has been succeeded by Royal Mail Legal Services, which continues to be recognised by the Ministry of Justice as a private prosecutor in England and Wales."

Why should such a privilege still exist?

hey look at the Gas suppliers with forced meter changes.

These need to go on the list of things that needs fixing and passed to the next government if not completed by the current one.

[Protagoras]

The post office were allowed to investigate and prosecute their own cases.

Somehow Horizon was omitted from their exhibition.
https://www.postalmuseum.org/blog/th...ation-branch/#

"The Post Office Solicitors’ Office has been succeeded by Royal Mail Legal Services, which continues to be recognised by the Ministry of Justice as a private prosecutor in England and Wales."

Why should such a privilege still exist?

[SueEllen]

One of the most incomprehensible cases ever. Surely money apparently missing from an account was not proof against these people, wouldn't they have had to show in court that they had actually received it? And the sheer number of cases all at the same time must have indicated something was wrong with the system.

The post office were allowed to investigate and prosecute their own cases.

The Post Office decided that the software couldn't be wrong so if there were accounting mistakes the post master was at fault.

This was even though a union rep had been shown and a few programmers who had worked on the system pointed out that there were loads of errors in the system.

[vetran]

Given the scale of this, I reckon that there's more than one person eligible for the clink! Following due process, of course.

definitely that was more of a filter.

[Protagoras]

You would think that would happen, the Register was reporting on this for decades. It was suggesting Horizon was suspect a long time ago.

As you say you would think the lawyers would have pointed out the volume and lack of money in a very select group of individuals. Running a post office was something that required a very responsible individual of good standing.

Agree someone who ran Horizon and failed to investigate what were obviously system issues needs to go to jail.

Given the scale of this, I reckon that there's more than one person eligible for the clink! Following due process, of course.

[vetran]

One of the most incomprehensible cases ever. Surely money apparently missing from an account was not proof against these people, wouldn't they have had to show in court that they had actually received it? And the sheer number of cases all at the same time must have indicated something was wrong with the system.

You would think that would happen, the Register was reporting on this for decades. It was suggesting Horizon was suspect a long time ago.

As you say you would think the lawyers would have pointed out the volume and lack of money in a very select group of individuals. Running a post office was something that required a very responsible individual of good standing.

Agree someone who ran Horizon and failed to investigate what were obviously system issues needs to go to jail.