Love half your neighbours

[vetran]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-pay-tax.html

Shocking rise of 'something for nothing Britain': Over half of households get more from the State than they pay in tax... while top 10% of earners account for 53% of all income tax

• MPs say the support provided during Covid 'changed the psyche' of the country
• The poorest fifth households get £17,600 more in benefits than they pay in tax
• The reliance on the State spiked between 2020 and 2022 due to lockdowns

This is up from 24 million, or two-fifths of households, when Tony Blair was in power at the turn of the millennium.

hmm working tax credit + falling salaries?

[Paddy]

And the source of the information is "Civitas" a Tory so called think tank who ran the Vote Leave campaign using fake information. They also also on the fiddle with their donations and expenses.

[vetran]

Yeah because the ONS are just Tory schills.

[xoggoth]

Includes us old fart pensioners, probably account for a fair proportion. We have paid with our NI for decades, although not sure we covered the costs. Still, more of a concern are those who never make any net contribution in all their lives. Welfare needs to be a lot harder to access.

Think it may take a long time after Covid before that line comes down. People get used to ways of living.

[Fraidycat]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-pay-tax.html
hmm working tax credit + falling salaries?

Plus an increase in tax thresholds, no NI or Tax on anything below £1000 a month. They still pay VAT, but before they were paying more NI and Income tax as well. No employer NI charged on the low paid either.

While those on over 100K now pay eye watering rates. 63% immediately followed by 48% (if you include NI). Plus 15% employer NI.

[SueEllen]

Includes us old fart pensioners, probably account for a fair proportion. We have paid with our NI for decades, although not sure we covered the costs. Still, more of a concern are those who never make any net contribution in all their lives. Welfare needs to be a lot harder to access.

Think it may take a long time after Covid before that line comes down. People get used to ways of living.

I wouldn't worry they are making it harder for people with life long disabilities/terminal illnesses who no-one would employ to claim benefits.

[Paddy]

Includes us old fart pensioners, probably account for a fair proportion. We have paid with our NI for decades, although not sure we covered the costs. Still, more of a concern are those who never make any net contribution in all their lives. Welfare needs to be a lot harder to access.

Think it may take a long time after Covid before that line comes down. People get used to ways of living.

State pensions are in a mess. When taking into account people who die before pension age and the average life span after pension age, contributions exceed pay-outs.
(My dad died at 64 therefore no state pension). My mum worked full time and had a full pension and did not qualify for any benefits. Her sister worked part-time and did not receive a full pension and therefore qualified for pension credit. Pension credit put her on the same amount as my mum but was also a ticket to a load of other benefits.

I know a contractor who has MS and works as much as a healthy person. On the other hand I know two lazy bu****s who use crutches when out and about locally but not when they are out of town, they never work and claim benefits; there are too many other examples.

[SueEllen]

I know a contractor who has MS and works as much as a healthy person. On the other hand I know two lazy bu****s who use crutches when out and about locally but not when they are out of town, they never work and claim benefits; there are too many other examples.

Things is conditions like MS are variable. So while that contractor can work other people with it can't and have to claim benefits.

[Andy2022]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-pay-tax.html





hmm working tax credit + falling salaries?

Need to raise the minimum wage, working tax credit is essentially a subsidy to employers

[vetran]

Need to raise the minimum wage, working tax credit is essentially a subsidy to employers

totally agree, notice it was in B'Liar & B'ruin's tenure when it all went a bit silly with WTC sensible people objected then.