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    #11
    Originally posted by Lance View Post
    It’s a good thing. Standards are good generally.

    the only question is what about devices that are physically too small for a USBC?
    There will certainly be an allowance for small devices and that’s where apples BS about innovation falls down. They will be able to use different ones for certain use cases.
    Apple's original issue was with the 2009 document which was to use MicroUSB. One of their objections is that MicroUSB is a one way connector - you can't put it in upside down.
    The new regs are based on USB-C - which can go in either way, and only apply to certain devices.

    The good news is that Apple & Intel's Thunderbolt is the same connector as USB-C, but running at twice the speed
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      #12
      Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
      Within USB-C there are different protocols for charging. So it is nonsense that it stops innovation.

      Oh and why would any company make a different product for the UK market when the type G plugs used are used in other countries within the EU and around the world.
      Just had a read about that, the short answer is nothing preventing a slight modification to news phones to enable a type c being used
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        #13
        Originally posted by WTFH View Post
        The good news is that Apple & Intel's Thunderbolt is the same connector as USB-C, but running at twice the speed
        Probably the very worst thing would be two incompatible cables that use identical connectors - I'm sure this has happened several times in the past. Sometimes between wildly different applications e.g. low/high power which is not just daft but dangerous
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          #14
          Originally posted by d000hg View Post
          Probably the very worst thing would be two incompatible cables that use identical connectors - I'm sure this has happened several times in the past. Sometimes between wildly different applications e.g. low/high power which is not just daft but dangerous
          Not so, lightning and type C use the same four terminals for the same purpose on USB. The mini lightning connection basically smoke and mirrors, some but not all have a couple of basic chips that can easily be incorporated in the phone. This has more to do with Apple making stuff more pricy.
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            #15
            Originally posted by Mordac View Post

            It's not in 'that' forum because I wasn't asking 'that' question. I want to know if it's generally a good idea or a bad one, and whether there were any technical implications. I hope the UK don't follow suit, fwiw, because the costs of redesigning products for different markets will be passed on. And because we have 6 or 7 perfectly good (and fairly new) lightning cables dotted around, which will go to landfill in a couple of years, for no good reason.
            If you have a non-USBC product now, you won't be forced to bin it immediately. It will just be that those will be deprecated over however many years and when you next buy something you will need a new cable (which is what happened anyway before mobile device manufacturers started voluntarily moving towards a standard).

            I have loads of random devices that don't use USBC, the other formats aren't going away.

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              #16
              The UK government says it is not "currently considering" copying European Union plans for a common charging cable.

              https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-61720276

              In the UK iPhones will have tiny steam engines instead of batteries and be refueled via a water pipe of 1/4 inch gauge and will automatically shut down if you try and use anything other than British coal.
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                #17
                Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
                The UK government says it is not "currently considering" copying European Union plans for a common charging cable.

                https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-61720276

                In the UK iPhones will have tiny steam engines instead of batteries and be refueled via a water pipe of 1/4 inch gauge and will automatically shut down if you try and use anything other than British coal.
                It's not an issue if the UK doesn't copy it, what it means is that phones made in the UK without the standard will not be allowed to be sold in the EU. That's not an issue, given the volume of phones made in the UK.
                It's also not an issue, because if the manufacturers want to sell abroad, they will design to suit where they want to sell.
                And finally, it's not an issue if all the big manufacturers want to sell in Europe, then any new products will have the standard. They can dump all their old stock in countries that are backward and insular.
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
                  The UK government says it is not "currently considering" copying European Union plans for a common charging cable.

                  https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-61720276

                  In the UK iPhones will have tiny steam engines instead of batteries and be refueled via a water pipe of 1/4 inch gauge and will automatically shut down if you try and use anything other than British coal.
                  Because there is zero point - mainly because all android phones will be using usb c by then and it's 50/50 as to whether Apple switch to usb c or switch their phones to wireless charging.
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                    #19
                    It would be pretty stupid for an individual country, especially a small one like the, UK to make these sort of stipulations IMO. EU as a bloc is large enough for it to carry proper clout. As WTFH says, it'll filter down to us. But it does mean we might be able to get products not available in EU if some manufacturers are less quick to adopt - especially if USA doesn't mirror EU (anyone know?). All those things using micro-USB for instance, there might be a booming market for more specialist items that don't have a direct USBC equivalent.

                    Am I right that this only covers the end that you stick in your device? The source end can still be USB-A or some awful hard-wired adapter? Bi-directional USBC could be nice eventually but many of us have replaced all our power outlets with ones featuring USB


                    Originally posted by eek View Post

                    Because there is zero point - mainly because all android phones will be using usb c by then and it's 50/50 as to whether Apple switch to usb c or switch their phones to wireless charging.
                    It's not only phones, as above there are thousands of things from earbuds to fairly lights.
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by WTFH View Post

                      It's not an issue if the UK doesn't copy it, what it means is that phones made in the UK without

                      the standard will not be allowed to be sold in the EU. That's not an issue, given the volume of phones made in the UK.
                      It's also not an issue, because if the manufacturers want to sell abroad, they will design to suit where they want to sell.
                      And finally, it's not an issue if all the big manufacturers want to sell in Europe, then any new products will have the standard. They can dump all their old stock in countries that are backward and insular.
                      Until wileyfox went bust they used usbc. Apple just want to lock in technology, if they wanted to innovate they would open their designs, Magsafe is a brilliant idea where cables cross office walkways, but patented.

                      Yeah it would be pretty stupid for a diddly country like the UK to stipulate something like the plug on an appliance we should all use the lethal ones adopted in the EU. Other examples available see most british electrical standards, car safety and medicine safety.

                      https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/...0nasty%20shock.

                      The fuse and sturdy construction prove the British plug is very clearly the safest in the world. But it's better than that, because the sockets also feature shutters that prevent children from inserting paperclips and getting a nasty shock.
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