[OFFICIAL] Ukraine Thread

[d000hg]

Proof?

Of what? Surely someone as educated as you recognises the gent in the photo! But it's from the EU parliament meeting, on the BBC live feed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...ost_type=share

[SueEllen]

Of what? Surely someone as educated as you recognises the gent in the photo! But it's from the EU parliament meeting, on the BBC live feed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...ost_type=share

Cheers.

There was a "poster" on this thread earlier who thought it was OK to copy and paste without citing where they got their "news" from. They are now on a holiday....

[Mordac]

At what point did I say we should confiscate them all? And how likely is "might"?

If just 20% of those are empty and could be made available for use that's 46,000+ properties that could be made available to house people in need. Even is they were all 1 bedroom flats that's still tens of thousands of people who could be housed.

As it stands there is no legal provision to force owners of empty properties to make them available for rental, and given the complications of drafting such legislation I doubt there ever will be. I agree with you that it's morally wrong to have thousands of empty homes which could be put to use, but we've been having a similar debate about second homes in places like Cornwall for years and nothing has changed.

[SueEllen]

Boris Johnson has had an "interesting" trip to Poland -

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19...nalist-warsaw/

BORIS Johnson was faced with the fury of a Ukrainian journalist calling for a no-fly zone over the country, telling the PM “World War 3 has already started”.

The Prime Minister was giving a press conference in Warsaw, Poland, on Tuesday, when he was confronted by a Ukrainian reporter who called for military intervention from the West.

Daria Kaleniuk, Executive Director at the Anti Corruption Centre, said that women and children are struggling to cross the border from Ukraine, and hit out at sanctions brought in against Russia - pointing out that there had been none for Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich.

Kaleniuk told the PM: “You're talking about the stoicism of Ukrainian people, but Ukrainian women and Ukrainian children are in deep fear because of bombs and missiles which are going from the sky and Ukrainian people are desperately asking for the West to protect our sky.

“We are asking for the no-fly zone.

“We are seeing response that it will trigger World War Three but what is the alternative Mr Prime Minister?

“To observe how our children instead of planes are protecting NATO from their missiles and bombs. What's the alternative for the no-fly zone?

“We have planes here. We have air defence system in Poland, in Romania. NATO has this air defence. At least this air defence would shield the Western Ukraine. So that these children amd women could come to the border.

“It's impossible now to cross the border - there are 30km of mines.”

Kaleniuk added that Nato is not willing to defend Ukraine for fear of World War 3, adding “but it has already started”.

She continued: “You're talking about more sanctions Prime Minister but Roman Abramovich is not sanctioned. He's in London.

“His children are not in the bombardments, His children are there in London.”

[d000hg]

WW3 hasn't started. Actually I was wondering earlier, is it officially a war? I know Russia bans anyone from using that world but technically is it a war if nobody has declared war?

[mattster]

WW3 hasn't started. Actually I was wondering earlier, is it officially a war? I know Russia bans anyone from using that world but technically is it a war if nobody has declared war?

So if do end up nuking each other, but nobody "declares war", would that still be WW3? Or just a military operation, perhaps.

[d000hg]

So if do end up nuking each other, but nobody "declares war", would that still be WW3? Or just a military operation, perhaps.

Well we can't call it a world war if nobody outside of Europe is involved. That's dependent on USA and China really. We can probably say launching a Nuke is an implicit declaration of war but isn't there a proper definition of 'war'?

[Fraidycat]

Well we can't call it a world war if nobody outside of Europe is involved. That's dependent on USA and China really. We can probably say launching a Nuke is an implicit declaration of war but isn't there a proper definition of 'war'?

Well its easy to define an 'act of war', but there is no easy defined point when X number of smaller 'acts of war' become a full scale war.

[WTFH]

Well we can't call it a world war if nobody outside of Europe is involved.

Now, do we include Australia and Israel in "Europe" for the purposes of this discussion, a bit like the song contest?

[Paddy]

One slightly less mad dictator,
Lukashenko, Belarus will not join Russian operation