Tories Lost

[mattster]

Seemed like it was on the cards but more a one-off given the special circumstances. One more crack in Boris' armour but this isn't going to get him out.

I reckon he's done, but then I think he was done before this anyway. Not that the Tories will necessarily act fast to get rid of him, but there is absolutely no way Boris is leading them into the next election.

[malvolio]

Lib Dems get votes because nobody believes they will ever win a general election. So all this has proved is that the Tories have cocked up big time and have been handed a big slap in the face. If it were a genuine desire to lose the Tories, the votes would have gone to Labour.

So what it really proves is that neither of the big parties have the trust of the general public, one because they can't seem to make their minds up long enough to make a decision on anything, the other because they are a bunch of losers led by Max Headroom who offer no viable alternatives.

[TheDude]

Seemed like it was on the cards but more a one-off given the special circumstances. One more crack in Boris' armour but this isn't going to get him out.

There is so much being fed to the press at the moment it is quite clear that many Tories want Boris gone as well.

[TheDude]

I reckon he's done, but then I think he was done before this anyway. Not that the Tories will necessarily act fast to get rid of him, but there is absolutely no way Boris is leading them into the next election.

Like so many Tory voters I suspect Boris was just a useful idiot to those with ambitions of power. They were happy to step aside and let him take the blame for Brexit (and as it turned out Covid). They are quite clearly making their move now and Boris will be gone very soon.

[mattster]

Like so many of Tory voters I suspect Boris was just a useful idiot to those with ambitions of power. They were happy to step aside and let him take the blame for Brexit (and as it turned out Covid). They are quite clearly making their move now and Boris will be gone very soon.

Yeah, he had one real use, which was popularity with the public. That's gone and, IMO, never coming back. The parliamentary Tories have always hated him, because they actually know him. They might let him carry the can for a little longer but he's done and he probably knows it.

[malvolio]

Yeah, he had one real use, which was popularity with the public. That's gone and, IMO, never coming back. The parliamentary Tories have always hated him, because they actually know him. They might let him carry the can for a little longer but he's done and he probably knows it.

They like him because he wins elections and votes when it matters. They don't currently have anyone else who does that: Truss is not a leader (who wants another Sturgeon?), Sunak will get the blame for all the tax rises, Patel is a failure, Gove is too weak, the rest are nonentities.

And if you look carefully at the rebels, there are a disproportionate number of Remainers in the list.

He may decide not to stand at the next election, but I'm yet to be convinced he will be dumped any time soon.

[mattster]

They like him because he wins elections and votes when it matters. They don't currently have anyone else who does that: Truss is not a leader (who wants another Sturgeon?), Sunak will get the blame for all the tax rises, Patel is a failure, Gove is too weak, the rest are nonentities.

Agree that he is a one trick pony, and useless at the actual job of PM. Also agree that they don't have anyone better, having bascially purged the moderates, who also happened to be the most competent of them. However I don't believe that Boris is going to be able to work his magic at the next election - I think the scales have fallen from too many eyes. Don't forget that once the pandemic is over, the full reality of the Brexit tulipshow is going to start becoming clearer. Having said that, Boris might still be a better bet at the polls than those you have mentioned - there really is a vacuum of talent and moral leadership on the Tory front benches right now.

[SueEllen]

They like him because he wins elections and votes when it matters. They don't currently have anyone else who does that: Truss is not a leader (who wants another Sturgeon?), Sunak will get the blame for all the tax rises, Patel is a failure, Gove is too weak, the rest are nonentities.

And if you look carefully at the rebels, there are a disproportionate number of Remainers in the list.

He may decide not to stand at the next election, but I'm yet to be convinced he will be dumped any time soon.

There will be a couple of ambitious nonentities we don't know about in the ranks who is quietly gathering support in the parliamentary party.

[SueEllen]

Lib Dems get votes because nobody believes they will ever win a general election. So all this has proved is that the Tories have cocked up big time and have been handed a big slap in the face. If it were a genuine desire to lose the Tories, the votes would have gone to Labour.

It's completely tactical voting as @mattster pointed out.

There are seats Labour will never ever win so they swing between Tory and Lib Dem.

Also the Labour candidate didn't get any help from Labour HQ which could be considered deliberate, there as the Lib Dems put all hands to the pump.

[courtg9000]

I think letters will quietly land on the doormat of the 1922 committee chairman soon.
What this does show is that the Labour party cannot win a general election in their current state and that they probably need to review Starmer before its too late.