DOOM: "Omicron Covid cases ‘doubling every two to three days’ in UK"

[ChimpMaster]

Apparently (according to news this morning) the Pfizer vac does provide some limited protection against Omni.

Even so, the impact of Omni is not so bad, with people managing to get through with what feels like normal cold/flu symptoms. This is the normal evolution of a virus: as it becomes more transmissible, it often loses its potency.

[NigelJK]

So we have 200 years of research on Covid?

Go back and read what I wrote. First vaccines were developed in 1880.

[mattster]

Go back and read what I wrote. First vaccines were developed in 1880.

Go back and look at what I wrote. The idea that once you have been infected with a virus, or vaccinated against a virus, gives you immunity for that virus for life is categorically not true for all viruses - although it maybe true for some. It clearly isn't true for Covid, where we can already monitor waning vaccine immunity in a matter of months and many, many people are getting reinfected with the same or different strains.

[mattster]

This is the normal evolution of a virus: as it becomes more transmissible, it often loses its potency.

This is total bulltulip apparently, although it doesn't stop people repeating it all over the internet. It might happen - and we might get lucky with Omicron - but it is not the "normal evolution of a virus".

Will the virus become milder?
A recurring suggestion is that pathogens evolve, over some undefined period, to be more transmissible and less virulent, bringing virus and host towards a state of benign coexistence. If Omicron is spreading so quickly, some wondered, perhaps it will at least be milder. But experts say this expectation has no scientific basis. “Put simply, this has been one of the most baffling misinformation myths peddled during the pandemic,” said Prof Alan McNally, director of the Institute of Microbiology and Infection at the University of Birmingham. “There is almost no evidence of any human pathogenic virus evolving towards reduced virulence.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...irus-explainer

[AtW]

Is this the same Professor who ignores nearly 200 years of immunology research that says that if you have had Covid you are immune from catching the same strain again?

CUK COTY of the year material that is.

[AtW]

Apparently (according to news this morning) the Pfizer vac does provide some limited protection against Omni.

"some limited protection" does not sound encouraging, does it? Especially if it relates to preventing hospitalisation and death among the vaccinated.

[NigelJK]

where we can already monitor waning vaccine immunity in a matter of months

That same research also shows that when your body no longer needs the antibodies, it stops producing them until they are required again.

[mattster]

That same research also shows that when your body no longer needs the antibodies, it stops producing them until they are required again.

Yes, it's more complicated than just antibodies but the fact is that people are catching it twice, and catching it after being double jabbed - but in general doing better than they would be if they didn't have some immunity.

[mattster]

"some limited protection" does not sound encouraging, does it? Especially if it relates to preventing hospitalisation and death among the vaccinated.

Stressing that she has posted only selected findings and a paper hasn’t been presented yet, she has said exposing the blood of vaccinated individuals to different virus variants, she found that the ability to mount an antibody response to Omicron in people who had three shots of BioNTech/Pfizer was up to 37 times lower than the response to Delta.

An antibody response to Omicron half a year after a two-shot regimen of Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna or a mixed course of AstraZeneca/BioNTech was not even measurable, Ciesek added.

Better hope those T cells kick in!

[SueEllen]

Better hope those T cells kick in!

Those cells they didn't know existed 200 years ago....