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    Racism in sport


    Has an interesting history -

    Elite British schools did sporting tournaments and exchanges with schools in Nazi Germany.

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/17/top-b...eals-15615350/

    Nazi-run schools had close links with Eton, Harrow and other top British institutions, new documents have revealed.

    Pupils from elite schools in Germany, known as Napolas, took part in exchanges and sporting tournaments with boys from England before the Second World War.

    Dr Helen Roche, of Durham University, has for the first time detailed the little-known exchanges in a new book, based on archive research and testimonies from former pupils.

    She found the Napolas – set up to train and indoctrinate future leaders of the Third Reich – were modelled on various elite British public schools.

    Dr Roche said the Nazis hoped to emulate and improve upon the teaching practices of the likes of Eton as they were seen as ‘character forming.’

    Boys from Winchester, Westminster, Rugby, and the Leys School in Cambridge also took part in the exchanges between 1934 and 1939.

    The Napola pupils who came to England were seen as performing the function of cultural ambassadors for the ‘new Germany’, Dr Roche found.

    But the records show that the attitudes of the boys and masters to each other changed over time as relations between the two countries deteriorated.

    Dr Roche said: ‘In the early days of the exchange programme, the English boys and masters often felt that what they saw in Nazi Germany and at the Napolas was in some ways superior to the state of affairs in England.

    ‘There was a feeling, which found its way into wider British attitudes towards Germany, that Britain would do well to emulate Germany’s racial confidence, and there was an admiration for the sheer strength and physical development of the German boys.’

    She added: ‘We can see the exchange programme as providing a microcosm for more general attitudes to the Nazi regime on behalf of the middle- and upper-class British public – not wholly convinced by the aims and ideals of the Third Reich, but nevertheless prepared to give their German counterparts the benefit of the doubt, until Nazi belligerence reached its fatal climax.’
    "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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    WGAFF?

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      But the records show that the attitudes of the boys and masters to each other changed over time as relations between the two countries deteriorated.

      Dr Roche said: ‘In the early days of the exchange programme, the English boys and masters often felt that what they saw in Nazi Germany and at the Napolas was in some ways superior to the state of affairs in England.

      ‘There was a feeling, which found its way into wider British attitudes towards Germany, that Britain would do well to emulate Germany’s racial confidence, and there was an admiration for the sheer strength and physical development of the German boys.’

      She added: ‘We can see the exchange programme as providing a microcosm for more general attitudes to the Nazi regime on behalf of the middle- and upper-class British public – not wholly convinced by the aims and ideals of the Third Reich, but nevertheless prepared to give their German counterparts the benefit of the doubt, until Nazi belligerence reached its fatal climax.’
      Isn't that the biggest 'no tulip sherlock' moment there ever was?
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        You know the NAZIs also held the 1936 summer olympics?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Summer_Olympics

        oh look who came?

        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._countries.png

        49 nations.

        A total of 49 nations attended the Berlin Olympics, up from 37 in 1932. Five nations made their first official Olympic appearance at these Games: Afghanistan, Bermuda, Bolivia, Costa Rica and Liechtenstein.

        Germany was still quite liked internationally in 1936 with their democratically elected leader. It faded as we slowly started realising the atrocities being committed by the NAZIs, though the Japanese, Russian's & Chinese made Germany look like rank amateurs.

        https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP3.HTM

        From the invasion of China in 1937 to the end of World War II, the Japanese military regime murdered near 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most probably almost 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war. This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national culture (such as the view that those enemy soldiers who surrender while still able to resist were criminals).
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

        ~ 20 million post war as well.

        https://psmag.com/news/china-lost-14...orgotten-66482

        but post war the Chinese stepped up their game and killed millions.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genoci...ublic_of_China

        We sat around the table with these to make peace.

        Remember our royals were related to theirs.

        by the way who do you think the overseas students are at Eton even now. They have long history of teaching the world's future dictators. Just like Sandhurst.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eton_C...y_and_nobility


        Eugenics is now seen as wrong but was popular internationally in the 30s.

        https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/...ries/eugenics/




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          Originally posted by northernladuk View Post

          Isn't that the biggest 'no tulip sherlock' moment there ever was?
          Not quite but in the top 20.

          Hitler despite the documentaries rose to power fairly normally for the time an many of the beliefs he expressed were common across Europe at the time.

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            Originally posted by vetran View Post

            Not quite but in the top 20.

            Hitler despite the documentaries rose to power fairly normally for the time an many of the beliefs he expressed were common across Europe at the time.
            Are you saying that Hitler’s views were the populist ones and he was just expressing the will of the people?
            …Maybe we ain’t that young anymore

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              Originally posted by WTFH View Post

              Are you saying that Hitler’s views were the populist ones and he was just expressing the will of the people?
              nope but the people weren't against it at first. Very sad.

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                #8
                Where is the Nazi salute emoji?
                bloggoth

                If everything isn't black and white, I say, 'Why the hell not?'
                John Wayne (My guru, not to be confused with my beloved prophet Jeremy Clarkson)

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