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    Be Careful Working Away

    Make sure your house isn't sold from under you -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-59069662



    A man has described his shock at returning to his house and finding it stripped of all furnishings after it was sold without his knowledge.

    Having been alerted by neighbours, the Reverend Mike Hall drove to Luton and found building work under way and a new owner who said he had bought the house.
    A BBC investigation found Mr Hall's identity had been stolen and used to sell the house and bank the proceeds

    Police initially told him it was not fraud but are now investigating.

    Mr Hall, who was away from the property and working in north Wales, said he received a call from his neighbours on 20 August, saying that someone was in the house and all the lights were on.
    The following morning, he drove there.

    "I went to the front door, tried my key in the front door, it didn't work and a man opened the front door to me," he told BBC Radio 4's You and Yours.

    "I pushed him to one side and got in the property. I really didn't know what he was doing there.

    "The shock of seeing the house completely stripped of furniture; all furnishings, carpet, curtains - everything - was out of the property."
    The man said he was doing building work, to which Mr Hall replied: "I haven't sold the house. This is still my property."


    Mr Hall phoned the police, but the builder left and returned with the new owner's father, who said he had bought the terraced house in July, adding: "It is now my property. You are now trespassing. Get out."

    Mr Hall said: "We then tried to access the Land Registry documentation online to find out whose name appeared... and it is, in fact, as of 4 August, this man's name.
    "At that point the police said, 'Well, there's nothing further we can do here. This is a civil matter; you need to leave the house and contact your solicitors.

    He then tried to contact police online, but received the same response.

    "I was shocked - having seen the house in the state it was, I was in a bit of a state of shock anyway - but then to be told by the police they didn't believe a criminal offence had been committed here was just unbelievable," he said.

    The BBC put Mr Hall in touch with Bedfordshire Police's fraud squad, which has begun an investigation.

    A spokeswoman said there had been no arrests.


    You and Yours obtained the duplicate driving licence issued by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency in Mr Hall's name, details of a bank account set up in his name to receive the proceeds of the sale, and phone recordings of the house being stolen.

    Once the house was sold to the new owner for £131,000 by the person impersonating Mr Hall, they legally owned it.

    The solicitors involved in the property transaction said there was an ongoing police investigation and that it was inappropriate to comment further.

    "We will continue to co-operate with the police, and comply with our professional obligations," said the firm, which the BBC has chosen not to name.



    The Land Registry paid out a total of £3.5m in compensation for fraud last year.

    It said: "We work with professional conveyancers, such as solicitors, and rely on them and the checks that they make to spot fraudulent attempts to impersonate property owners.

    "Despite our efforts, every year we do register a very small number of fraudulent transactions."

    It said: "We work with professional conveyancers, such as solicitors, and rely on them and the checks that they make to spot fraudulent attempts to impersonate property owners.

    "Despite our efforts, every year we do register a very small number of fraudulent transactions."


    "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

    #2
    Is this the fault of the land registry or the conveyancer?
    Who is responsible for verifying the vendor's identity?

    Cheap house mind.
    See You Next Tuesday

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      #3
      Originally posted by Lance View Post

      Cheap house mind.
      Have you been to Luton?
      But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition. Pliny the younger

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        #4
        Originally posted by Lance View Post
        Is this the fault of the land registry or the conveyancer?
        Who is responsible for verifying the vendor's identity?

        Cheap house mind.
        The conveyancer has to verify your ID. However because the DVLA gave out a false driving licence they may be in the clear.
        "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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          #5
          Originally posted by Lance View Post
          Is this the fault of the land registry or the conveyancer?
          Who is responsible for verifying the vendor's identity?

          Cheap house mind.
          Well, I needed a quick sale as I have to move abroad to care for my sick grandma…
          "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
          - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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            #6
            This whole area seems to be particularly open to Fraud.

            How did the thief open a bank account in his name ? Where did the money go? Did he withdraw £131,000 in cash?

            How if its a fraudulent transaction is the house the Buyers?

            Seriously the whole area needs to be addressed.


            Last edited by vetran; 1 November 2021, 10:51.

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              #7
              Have to wonder if there's something not being reported if they were able to obtain things like driving licenses in the chap's name.

              Because the UK has traditionally been against identity cards, we don't have a formal way of proving we are who we say we are. I'm not advocating their introduction but something needs addressing when it is so simple to commit identity fraud.

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                #8
                Originally posted by vetran View Post
                This whole area seems to be particularly open to Fraud.

                How did the thief open a bank account in his name ? Where did the money go? Did he withdraw £131,000 in cash?

                How if its a fraudulent transaction is the house the Buyers?

                Seriously the whole area needs to be addressed.

                None of that is difficult once you've got photo ID in your name.

                Especially as given the scale of the transaction the bank account the money being paid into would usually be freshly created just for that purpose.

                The reality is that getting a duplicate driving license is probably the hardest issue here and that seems to require knowing little more than the address on your driving licence for the past 3 years (easy to guess if I'm selling the house you've owned for x years)..

                So what you are then left with is how did the driving licence (obviously sent to the existing address) ends up in someone elses hands.

                And why didn't the solicitor look at the photo with a bit of care?
                merely at clientco for the entertainment

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by eek View Post

                  None of that is difficult once you've got photo ID in your name.

                  Especially as given the scale of the transaction the bank account the money being paid into would usually be freshly created just for that purpose.

                  The reality is that getting a duplicate driving license is probably the hardest issue here and that seems to require knowing little more than the address on your driving licence for the past 3 years (easy to guess if I'm selling the house you've owned for x years)..

                  So what you are then left with is how did the driving licence (obviously sent to the existing address) ends up in someone elses hands.

                  And why didn't the solicitor look at the photo with a bit of care?
                  Maybe they submitted a new photo to DVLA? So the image did look like the person who committed the fraud? Does anyone know what validation DVLA does on that?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by eek View Post

                    None of that is difficult once you've got photo ID in your name.

                    Especially as given the scale of the transaction the bank account the money being paid into would usually be freshly created just for that purpose.

                    The reality is that getting a duplicate driving license is probably the hardest issue here and that seems to require knowing little more than the address on your driving licence for the past 3 years (easy to guess if I'm selling the house you've owned for x years)..

                    So what you are then left with is how did the driving licence (obviously sent to the existing address) ends up in someone elses hands.

                    And why didn't the solicitor look at the photo with a bit of care?
                    Where did the money go?

                    The transaction being fraudulent the ownership should be reversed and purchasers should carry insurance.

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