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    #11
    I guess Agile was only just really gathering momentum when I left IT to work on more commercial stuff, strategy and dealmaking.
    From the sounds of a few posts, for me it was probably for the best that I left when I did.
    It sounds like IT is not the place to work it once was.
    For those talking about retirement. My own is 9 months in. Wish I was still working but not in IT!
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      #12
      Originally posted by courtg9000 View Post
      I guess Agile was only just really gathering momentum when I left IT to work on more commercial stuff, strategy and dealmaking.
      From the sounds of a few posts, for me it was probably for the best that I left when I did.
      It sounds like IT is not the place to work it once was.
      For those talking about retirement. My own is 9 months in. Wish I was still working but not in IT!
      You will work until you die or are too decrepit for it, whether that work is paid or not!
      "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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        #13
        Originally posted by TwoWolves View Post
        I've been gigging for nearly thirty years now and I'm pretty sure a lot of the problem is everyone is doing "agile". It's working to the slavemaster's drumbeat of deliverables every sprint leading developers to rush out changes whilst cutting corners to deliver, thus creating technical debt & leading to yet more bugs.

        It's a mess-making machine.
        This.

        I recently binned a 6m contract, halfway through. Not only was the client using "agile" with daily "stand-ups" and fortnightly sprints (sprint meeting last thing on a Friday FFS) they were also totally unable to define the work packages within the sprints. Hence most of the time was spent trying to find out what actually needed doing.

        It nearly drove me mad. Tension headaches, increased heart rate etc. Not something I've ever suffered with before. Left the contact a month ago and still not feeling right.

        If I get called about contracts now, the first question I ask is does the client use agile. If they do, it goes no further.

        One did sneak past and I had a video meeting with client. Turned out they did use agile and had twice-daily standups .

        I terminated that meeting pretty quickly.
        Do what thou wilt

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          #14
          Originally posted by Dark Black View Post
          One did sneak past and I had a video meeting with client. Turned out they did use agile and had twice-daily standups .

          I terminated that meeting pretty quickly.
          What crisis stage is the project in if you are doing twice daily status checks.
          merely at clientco for the entertainment

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            #15
            Originally posted by eek View Post

            What crisis stage is the project in if you are doing twice daily status checks.
            No idea - as said, this was from an initial client meeting, not an existing gig. At that point I decided not to pursue it any further
            Do what thou wilt

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              #16
              Originally posted by Dark Black View Post

              No idea - as said, this was from an initial client meeting, not an existing gig. At that point I decided not to pursue it any further
              Good plan - Run... Run.....
              Last edited by vetran; 19 September 2021, 12:31.
              Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                #17
                Originally posted by courtg9000 View Post
                I guess Agile was only just really gathering momentum when I left IT to work on more commercial stuff, strategy and dealmaking.
                From the sounds of a few posts, for me it was probably for the best that I left when I did.
                It sounds like IT is not the place to work it once was.
                For those talking about retirement. My own is 9 months in. Wish I was still working but not in IT!
                Like all things Agile is a wonderful thing if you actually do it right. If you spend the scrums deciding which pigeonhole a task goes in you really are missing the point. Agile seems to be used for - "we don't want to do any planning"
                Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                  #18
                  The complete bollocks we now have to contend with not just in software development but agile has now gone mainstream, where every team and process tries to be agile.

                  Michael O Church (MOC) wrote some great articles on this in the past, before he appeared to descend into paranoia that everyone was out to get him. An example of such an article is https://michaelochurch.wordpress.com...-are-terrible/. An interesting rebuttal article is https://const.fr/blog/agile/why-agil...-not-terrible/. What is so funny is the second article tells us what scrum and agile in particular should be, but corporate dark agile never works that way and is as MOC suggests. Whether during my contracting career or when agile and scrum were exploding onto the scene pre 2008, the snake oil salesmen and scrum masters have always used it as a way to define as little as possible, do little work themselves, and then do precisely as MOC suggests and beat developers over the head for not delivering in a timely manner.

                  Then let us get to the immaturity that is rubbish such as t-shirt sizing. What are you, 2 years old? Whether t-shirt sizing, planning poker, Fibonacci or any other pseudo estimation bs, it always comes down to developers being under the kosh for delivery.

                  Whether sc(r)um masters, product owners or anyone else in the whole ecosystem, we all know that the buck usually stops with the developers.

                  As a final rant on the topic, a special place in hell should be reserved for ex-developers turned scrum masters. They are like ex-smokers who suddenly find religion and chastise anyone who smokes. As Billy Connolly might say, oh do f*** off!
                  Last edited by ShandyDrinker; 19 September 2021, 19:21.

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