oh those racist Danes!

[Whorty]

the brains in this one are weak.

Projects as defined in English are not just temporary.

Go on then, I'll bite ... show us a link to a definition of a project that is not temporary.

And I'll show you hundreds of definitions of projects that all state that they are temporary.

I think I may have identified why you don't get on with project managers

[vetran]

Go on then, I'll bite ... show us a link to a definition of a project that is not temporary.

And I'll show you hundreds of definitions of projects that all state that they are temporary.

I think I may have identified why you don't get on with project managers

show me a definition that proves Whorty is not a thicky.

If you have to add a stipulation that a project is temporary in its charter that obviously means a project is not by default temporary. Try using both brain cells.

I have no problem with good project managers its just that they are so rare and I have to put up with poorly defined projects that they fail to manage. Honestly I think you and Assgoo could do a better job than some I work with even after a lobotomy.

[NotAllThere]

Dreary me. Wjorty is right - a project has an aim. When that is achieved (or earlier if the project is cancelled), the project is over. Therefore projects are temporary in their very nature.

vetran is right - there are projects with ostensible aims that nonetheless never achieve them, are never likely to achieve them, and as such, become never ending (non temporary) projects.

A project should be temporary, but some are so long term that the sun will consume the earth as a red giant before they can end.

So you can stop or and instead

[Whorty]

show me a definition that proves Whorty is not a thicky.

If you have to add a stipulation that a project is temporary in its charter that obviously means a project is not by default temporary. Try using both brain cells.

I have no problem with good project managers its just that they are so rare and I have to put up with poorly defined projects that they fail to manage. Honestly I think you and Assgoo could do a better job than some I work with even after a lobotomy.

Do you even understand what you are writing? You really are showing yourself up here fella.

As you didn't like the PRINCE2 definition of a project, how about these definitions?

Things that we do (or work that we do) which is routine and regular are not projects. Things that repeat for ever, are not projects. But, things that are done towards a one-time effort, done seeking a specific outcome are projects.

or this

A project is a temporary venture to produce a new and unique deliverable. A deliverable could be a tangible product, a service or achievement of a required outcome.

or this directly from PMI's PMBOK .... but I'm sure you'll tell us next that you know better than the PMI?

According to the PMBOK^® Guide—Fourth edition (PMI, 2008a, p. 434) the definition of a project is “a temporary endeavor undertaken to create a unique project service or result.” Projects are temporary and close down on the completion of the work they were chartered to deliver.

Flipping 'eck, I knew you were a bit dim, but this really does take the biscuit (oh, and the production like at McVities is also not a project)

[Whorty]

Dreary me. Wjorty is right - a project has an aim. When that is achieved (or earlier if the project is cancelled), the project is over. Therefore projects are temporary in their very nature.

vetran is right - there are projects with ostensible aims that nonetheless never achieve them, are never likely to achieve them, and as such, become never ending (non temporary) projects.

A project should be temporary, but some are so long term that the sun will consume the earth as a red giant before they can end.

So you can stop or and instead

Sorry NAT, but you're wrong saying Vetran is right. The NHS is an operational BAU organisation. In itself it is not a project. Building a new A&E unit is a project, implementing a new cancer ward is a project. But once they go 'live' the project is over and it becomes BAU. It really is quite simple

[vetran]

Sorry NAT, but you're wrong saying Vetran is right. The NHS is an operational BAU organisation. In itself it is not a project. Building a new A&E unit is a project, implementing a new cancer ward is a project. But once they go 'live' the project is over and it becomes BAU. It really is quite simple

NOT IF YOU FOLLOW THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF A PROJECT!

oh ffs!

[BR14]

i love it when the thickos argue.
especially when the Basel biblebasher joins in!

all we need now is the durham druid for a full house.

[NotAllThere]

i love it when the thickos argue.
especially when the Basel biblebasher joins in!

all we need now is the durham druid for a full house.

You have a natural talent for alliteration. BBB, DD.

[NotAllThere]

Sorry NAT, but you're wrong saying Vetran is right. The NHS is an operational BAU organisation. In itself it is not a project. Building a new A&E unit is a project, implementing a new cancer ward is a project. But once they go 'live' the project is over and it becomes BAU. It really is quite simple

NOT IF YOU FOLLOW THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF A PROJECT!

oh ffs!

You lot are funny.