Get ready to be cold and poor in 2025

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What's the lifespan of these things? Stopping the sale of new devices doesn't mean everything in existence before the ban starts is also replaced.

Realistically 5 to 10 years, but if they stop / ban manufacturing them, then getting spares and someone who is still a gas certified boiler engineer might be a problem.

[d000hg]

I live in the countryside where almost every heating system is oil-based, if we switched to electric the grid would fail and I don't see anyone upgrading the network in preparation.

The only alternative is a log burner but I don't see how that helps carbon emissions.

They haven't mentioned oil but surely they'd be banned far sooner - can you still buy a new oil boiler?
Bottled gas is the other alternative, when we lived very rural we used that in one place.

They're getting banned as well, aren't they?
Grid certainly can't support everyone simply switching to electric without first massively upgrading their insulation, that's for sure. Done right, passive haus spec doesn't require any heating at all - but I don't think that level of insulation is practically retrofittable.

I'm sure they want to ban log burners but is it really more than a decimal point in overall emissions? I know they've become much more popular with middle-class types this century but even so, they are typically used sporadically - for fun basically.

Of course a sensible step would be to take the low-hanging fruit and ban burners/oil/gas in urban areas. Infrastructure is probably better, cost/household is far less for any changes, and the CO2/£ spent is surely far better.
But I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with unworkable rules and brownouts rurally - it's not like it hasn't happened elsewhere in the world.

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I might be wrong, but in a smart grid world, everyone would have an electric car with smart meters and charging, that charges the electric car at the cheapest rates at the cheapest times.

When the car is at home (evening and overnight mostly), the battery in the car would provide some energy to the electric heating.

Of course this is all rather theoretical and open to a lot of questions as to practicality.

I believe old, remote, badly insulated, listed building will become less desirable when the owners have to spend £5K per year on heating and hot water, or spend £25K+ on heat pump technology and insulation and window upgrades.

[d000hg]

(logburners) They're getting banned as well, aren't they?

Did a little research and no, at least no plans of yet - however restrictions will be stringent on what fuels you can burn and what you burn them in. Wood-burning is actually not too bad as long as it's sustainable wood, I suppose.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51581817
https://www.knight-stoves.co.uk/are-...g-to-be-banned

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Get ready to be cold and poor in 2025

I thought this thread was quoting the Tory manifesto for the next General Election

[vetran]

I thought this thread was quoting the Tory manifesto for the next General Election

Whereas the Labour quote would be - "We will leave you in the dark because all the power station staff will be on strike".

[mattster]

Did a little research and no, at least no plans of yet - however restrictions will be stringent on what fuels you can burn and what you burn them in. Wood-burning is actually not too bad as long as it's sustainable wood, I suppose.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51581817
https://www.knight-stoves.co.uk/are-...g-to-be-banned

Ah OK - must have got the wrong end of the log there - and it is more about particulates than CO2.

[BlasterBates]

When everything shutdown last year it had absolutely no impact on atmospheric CO2 levels. Measured CO2 continued to rise at exactly the same rate. We're about to move into a new era where politicians will force a new energy austerity and it will have no impact.

[mattster]

When everything shutdown last year it had absolutely no impact on atmospheric CO2 levels. Measured CO2 continued to rise at exactly the same rate. We're about to move into a new era where politicians will force a new energy austerity and it will have no impact.

They do think the increase slowed by a fraction, but not by much. But not "everything" shut down. I, for one, was still heating my home, for example.

[AtW]

When everything shutdown

Everything was not shutdown



https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/global_oil.php

At the worst point demand for oil dropped by 15% for a quarter, then gone back up 5% below normal - obviously effect on global CO2 would be minimal