Horizon IT Scandal: Postmasters await justice today

[tazdevil]

If I followed witness testimony correctly, the muppets at Fujitsu Support were pulling off transaction records from the Horizon Database, then dumping into Excel in order to manually find (rather than using a macro) and delete duplicate entries. However, it was apparent that by doing it manually, some duplicate transactions were overlooked thus showed up as shortfalls. The utter incompetence of Fujitsu beggars belief.

Muppets indeed, why did the database indexes allow for duplication and if it was possible why didn't the application provide data sanity checks and recovery?

Then we get to the part where the free money they stole from the Postmasters (not the other way around) was put into executive remuneration Hanging in public by the bollocks for all Fujitsu management (who must of known their system was a wrongun) involved seems the only fair punishment.

[Paddy]

oh I agree no perpetrator should escape but we need quick action on the ringleaders, a few decent fraud, extortion and corporate manslaughter convictions while the smaller prosecutions run on.

Use the small fry to catch the big fish.

If I followed witness testimony correctly, the muppets at Fujitsu Support were pulling off transaction records from the Horizon Database, then dumping into Excel in order to manually find (rather than using a macro) and delete duplicate entries. However, it was apparent that by doing it manually, some duplicate transactions were overlooked thus showed up as shortfalls. The utter incompetence of Fujitsu beggars belief.

[vetran]

Not just the big bosses, and don't spend ages on every bit, get enough easy wins on them and then charged and if guilty short jail sentences and big fines will suffice, the shame of a criminal conviction is enough. This will then free up resources to go after as many of the lower ranks who also submitted evidence such as the lawyers and SMEs. It needs to be such a wake up call that it deters other people asked to sign false statements etc to think twice. You can't tell me that some of the tulips working on Horizon were not cognisant of the prosecutions?

oh I agree no perpetrator should escape but we need quick action on the ringleaders, a few decent fraud, extortion and corporate manslaughter convictions while the smaller prosecutions run on.

Use the small fry to catch the big fish.

[Uncle Albert]

Not just the big bosses, and don't spend ages on every bit, get enough easy wins on them and then charged and if guilty short jail sentences and big fines will suffice, the shame of a criminal conviction is enough. This will then free up resources to go after as many of the lower ranks who also submitted evidence such as the lawyers and SMEs. It needs to be such a wake up call that it deters other people asked to sign false statements etc to think twice. You can't tell me that some of the tulips working on Horizon were not cognisant of the prosecutions?

Were they involved too?

[Gibbon]

Well charge the big bosses of fraud & perverting the cause of justice (according to the cop this morning)

Not just the big bosses, and don't spend ages on every bit, get enough easy wins on them and then charged and if guilty short jail sentences and big fines will suffice, the shame of a criminal conviction is enough. This will then free up resources to go after as many of the lower ranks who also submitted evidence such as the lawyers and SMEs. It needs to be such a wake up call that it deters other people asked to sign false statements etc to think twice. You can't tell me that some of the tulips working on Horizon were not cognisant of the prosecutions?

[Lance]

Well charge the big bosses of fraud & perverting the cause of justice (according to the cop this morning) I suspect demanding money with menaces/extortion could be on the cards. Then freeze their assets will send the right messages.

There have long been suspicions that Horizon was deeply flawed (read The Register & computer weekly) and they did nothing. I have had senior managers approach me saying "something here doesn't look right, can we find out why?" we were just losing money due to incompetence (on a site we had adopted) not jailing & bankrupting employees.

absolutely.

And also. The books must have been cooked to balance after the magic appearing/disappearing money didn't show up elsewhere. So there must be fraud/criminality somewhere.

[vetran]

Fujitsu global boss was at the WEF yesterday and was collared. So this is likely to happen.
Fujitsu finally says sorry: Global boss of Japanese tech giant apologises for Post Office prosecutions as Europe chief tells MPs it was an 'appalling miscarriage of justice' and accepts the company has a 'moral obligation' to compensate victims | Daily Mail Online


I can see them matching the PO compensation.

The total compensation could get close to a billion (£1m each for 900 individuals). Fujitsu can afford half of that. The PO less so, but hopefully they can clawback remuneration (or at the very least threaten it such that nobody dare repeat this travesty).

Well charge the big bosses of fraud & perverting the cause of justice (according to the cop this morning) I suspect demanding money with menaces/extortion could be on the cards. Then freeze their assets will send the right messages.

There have long been suspicions that Horizon was deeply flawed (read The Register & computer weekly) and they did nothing. I have had senior managers approach me saying "something here doesn't look right, can we find out why?" we were just losing money due to incompetence (on a site we had adopted) not jailing & bankrupting employees.

[Lance]

The fight needs to get to Japan. Their business ethics are such that the company will be seriously dishonoured if they catch any blame for this mess, and that can have serious repercussions in their business world and relationships.

Fujitsu global boss was at the WEF yesterday and was collared. So this is likely to happen.
Fujitsu finally says sorry: Global boss of Japanese tech giant apologises for Post Office prosecutions as Europe chief tells MPs it was an 'appalling miscarriage of justice' and accepts the company has a 'moral obligation' to compensate victims | Daily Mail Online


I can see them matching the PO compensation.

The total compensation could get close to a billion (£1m each for 900 individuals). Fujitsu can afford half of that. The PO less so, but hopefully they can clawback remuneration (or at the very least threaten it such that nobody dare repeat this travesty).

[malvolio]

One wonders if Fujitsu will get a proper spanking, currently they look too big to fail

The fight needs to get to Japan. Their business ethics are such that the company will be seriously dishonoured if they catch any blame for this mess, and that can have serious repercussions in their business world and relationships.

[vetran]

Fujitsu apologies for Horizon.

only because they couldn’t set their lawyers on the hearing committee.

Fujitsu has 'moral obligation' to pay Post Office victims compensation https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67993493

One wonders if Fujitsu will get a proper spanking, currently they look too big to fail