J Corbyn and Iain Duncan Smith...

[ladymuck]

Date of vaccination is known so digital app can display appropriate status only in 3 weeks past that date.

There's a what, now? That's ready to go is it? Going to be a success like that track and trace app that cost more than Google's entire annual R&D budget?

And, as a bonus, if you don't have a smart phone, you don't get in as I'm sure there'll be a market in faked vaccination cards so they can't be trusted either.

Capacity isn't going to be an issue at this rate.

[AtW]

Jesus, what happened with CAN-DO attitude in this country?

Those who don't have smart phones will have QR code tatooed on their face or something else that achieves end result.

[NotAllThere]

In that case, why select one disease that has a vaccine? Why not all diseases that we have vaccines for?

Do you refuse to socialise with people who don't have the flu vaccine every year?

Flu is generally far less virulent than covid has turned out to be.

What about yellow fever, HepC, MMR, polio, small pox?

Well, of those, yellow fever isn't particular common in the UK, HepC isn't anywhere near as contagious, most people are vaccinated against MMR - enough to protect refuseniks and those who can't take the vaccine for whatever reason - polio and small pox are pretty much unknown in the UK so not a big risk.

So the reason to select just this one disease is that it is very contagious, currently pandemic and can overwhelm health services if not controlled and does kill quite a lot of people. There's no other disease currently going around that does this. So far.

Once herd immunity is established than there's no need for any kind of vaccine passport (except possibly if going to certain countries abroad - like you do with yellow fever). Up to that moment I don't think there are any easy answers. While it does seem to go against the grain of living in a liberal society, if JC and IBS are agin it then I tend to be in favour of it.

[mattster]

if JC and IBS are agin it then I tend to be in favour of it.

That's the strongest argument so far in this thread, and has converted me. I still think that everyone should have been given a chance at the jab before any such scheme comes in, however.

[ladymuck]

So, people are so scared that we need papers to prove we are safe to go to the shops, pick up the dry cleaning, meet a friend for a drink.

Sharing of medical data with all and sundry is not advisable. It is going to be used to shame people rather than be respectful of their situation. There will be no nuance, you will pass or fail, be judged and expected to explain yourself. The staff checking will end up telling the Daily Fail which celebrities were / were not vaccinated and they'll be villified by the media and bullied in to explaining themselves when the decision to vaccinate is optional and personal.

The government can't be trusted to reverse the need for this level of personal monitoring. Unless you think the virus will be 100% eradicated through the vaccine, as it will not mutate to evade such measures. This is obviously impossible so when will it be safe? What particular statistic will support the reversal of this requirement?

The proposal is ageist and causes indirect discrimination because the vaccine is only available to people over a specific age. It essentially means people supporting the elderly would be banned from attending / assisting with an activity with an elderly person because they won't have been vaccinated yet.

This cannot be considered until every eligible person has been offered a vaccine. That is a pointless notion as the vaccine schedule isn't expected to complete until July / August (if supplies hold out) and the timetable was for all restrictions to be lifted by the end of June.

[BR14]

The proposal is ageist and causes indirect discrimination because the vaccine is only available to people over a specific age. It essentially means people supporting the elderly would be banned from attending / assisting with an activity with an elderly person because they won't have been vaccinated yet.

Also the demographic least likely to be in possession of the latest trendy so-called 'smart' 'phone.
Why do the PTB assume that EVERYONE drives a car, and owns <or even wants to own> a 'smart' 'phone??

[Whorty]

There's a what, now? That's ready to go is it? Going to be a success like that track and trace app that cost more than Google's entire annual R&D budget?

And, as a bonus, if you don't have a smart phone, you don't get in as I'm sure there'll be a market in faked vaccination cards so they can't be trusted either.

Capacity isn't going to be an issue at this rate.

Can't we get it stamped into our blue passports?

[ladymuck]

Can't we get it stamped into our blue passports?

Now that's a nicely simple idea

[OwlHoot]

I've said it on other threads. You can't discriminate what parts of society a vaxxed / non-vaxxed person is allowed to engage with. It's just fundamentally wrong in my opinion. ..

If a person choosing not to be vaxxed increases risk only to themselves, then I and probably most people would agree with you. But if an unvaxxed person who cops a dose is very likely or certain to become far more infectious to others than they would have been if vaxxed (which I believe is the case), then that's a different matter.

It's analogous to arguing that anyone has a right to drive a car on a public highway, regardless of whether they have a valid driving licence. If everyone drove dodgem cars, at 4 MPH, and a bad driver could injure only themselves somehow then that would be fine. But with cars as they are, incompetent drivers are obviously a danger to others as well as themselves, so a licence is required is as proof the owner is demonstrably capable of driving competently (even if idiots don't always choose to!)

Maybe a few people have sound medical reasons not to be vaccinated, if they come out in a huge rash for example; but they could no doubt be granted a passport as an exemption. If declining a jab is by choice though, probably based on superstitious misguided bollox, then being shut out of certain venues or jobs is their lookout and not the least bit unfair.

(I must read 21 reasons not to get vaccinated; K Scott-Mumby (2021) although on a brief skim it looks like the author is a paranoid scaremongering kook!)

[Whorty]

Now that's a nicely simple idea

Simple is what I do ... or is it, simple is what i am?