Current vaccine status

[d000hg]

I haven't seen why Israel is so far out. Was it literally that they paid a fortune ages ago to be top of the queue? Or that they produce their own? I know Israel has quite a large medical industry but not whether that means they, like India, have huge production infrastructure.

[vetran]

I haven't seen why Israel is so far out. Was it literally that they paid a fortune ages ago to be top of the queue? Or that they produce their own? I know Israel has quite a large medical industry but not whether that means they, like India, have huge production infrastructure.

Good public health infrastructure according to this but if that is so France & Germany should be well ahead. I suspect its political will and organisation. There is at least partially the willingness to take a chance and order ahead while working with the vaccine creators.

How Israel Jumped Ahead on Vaccinations - The Atlantic

But the story of Israel’s success is arguably more about distribution than procurement. As Dany Bahar, an Israeli economist at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C., recently observed, focusing on what the Israeli government has managed to negotiate overlooks why it was in a strong negotiating position in the first place. It could present itself to pharmaceutical companies as an attractive “pilot country” for an effective mass-vaccination program for its 9 million–plus people because of its small size and the “vast public health infrastructure” that the state has invested heavily in over the past seven decades, building on a tradition of socialist-minded worker health-care cooperatives that preceded the state’s founding.

[d000hg]

UK ordered ahead too but Israel just seems an order of magnitude (or more) ahead so I wondered if there was some unique detail - like they own the factories and are getting first dibs

[BlueSharp]

UK ordered ahead too but Israel just seems an order of magnitude (or more) ahead so I wondered if there was some unique detail - like they own the factories and are getting first dibs

I'm sure I read somewhere that Israel will provide access to all their patient records related to the role out in exchange for being first in line for divvying up the vaccine. Lots of privacy issues raised but it beats being dead and the info provided will save lives across the world.

[mattster]

I am assuming that the USA will overtake virtually everyone. Slow to start but it'll just keep on ramping up and up.

Will they though? They've got quite a serious anti-vax problem over there, so I doubt they'll even hit our current > 70s figures when they're done. And besides, this is a sprint not a marathon. We'll all get there in the end, but there is a real, tangible benefit in doing this as quickly as possible, both from a public health perspective and in getting things back to normal. The UK, for once in this pandemic, is doing a pretty good job.

[vetran]

UK ordered ahead too but Israel just seems an order of magnitude (or more) ahead so I wondered if there was some unique detail - like they own the factories and are getting first dibs

Israel seem to have a central management for their health service unlike our distributed ones. they also have conscription so the majority of their adults are militarily trained and can be recalled. Any leader will tell you organising a trained group and populace is far easier than dealing with the general public.

[mattster]

UK ordered ahead too but Israel just seems an order of magnitude (or more) ahead so I wondered if there was some unique detail - like they own the factories and are getting first dibs

I'm sure the much smaller population helps - there's fewer people in Israel than there are in London. They're also a fairly rich country - slightly ahead of us on per-capita GDP.

[vetran]

Will they though? They've got quite a serious anti-vax problem over there, so I doubt they'll even hit our current > 70s figures when they're done. And besides, this is a sprint not a marathon. We'll all get there in the end, but there is a real, tangible benefit in doing this as quickly as possible, both from a public health perspective and in getting things back to normal. The UK, for once in this pandemic, is doing a pretty good job.

In the USA I would expect that when the anti vaxers start being a problem the response will probably be "leave them to die, just keep them away from me!"

[vetran]

UK ordered ahead too but Israel just seems an order of magnitude (or more) ahead so I wondered if there was some unique detail - like they own the factories and are getting first dibs

Israel 65.83 per 100 people.
UK 18.86 /100

so they are three times our achievement. they are 10-15 times the EU.

[BR14]

In the USA I would expect that when the anti vaxers start being a problem the response will probably be "leave them to die, just keep them away from me!"

you mean anti-vaxxers lives don't matter?