Don't buy a car.

[_V_]

What about those who live in the countryside (no street lights) in houses without driveways or garages?

They can move house or WFH or catch a bus. They have choices.

[WTFH]

INKSPE. Where would the Chauffer put the car?

Mine parks his under the helipad.
We only use him when we've both had a case or two of Dom.
Otherwise, we have a policy of owning cars that are enjoyable to drive and don't have "PDK", TDK etc.

[darmstadt]

Disagree. Battery technology is improving rapidly, it will be become much cheaper over the coming years. Range of ordinary electric cars will break the 500 mile range soon and be no more expensive to buy than a current dinosaur fuel car.

Hydrogen technology will go nowhere.

Dunno about that, seems to go okay between Cuxhaven, Bremerhaven, Bremervörde and Buxtehude on a regular basis:

Der weltweit erste Wasserstoff-Zug fahrt im regularen Linienbetrieb - ingenieur.de

[vetran]

What about those who live in the countryside (no street lights) in houses without driveways or garages?

INKSPE. Where would the Chauffer put the car?

[vetran]

Disagree. Battery technology is improving rapidly, it will be become much cheaper over the coming years. Range of ordinary electric cars will break the 500 mile range soon and be no more expensive to buy than a current dinosaur fuel car.

Hydrogen technology will go nowhere.

Hydrogen technology will be used to store excess electricity and drive trucks & larger vehicles that need more range and power having similar qualities to Petrol & Diesel without the emissions.

Also if it grows a suitable infrastructure hydrogen may become popular in cars. Conversion of classic and older cars to Hybrid or pure Hydrogen seems possible.

As we are nearly self sufficient in wind & solar electricity but with intermittent over and under capacity it makes sense to increase the capacity, use hydrogen to store and use the excess to drive vehicles and petroleum engines.

Great benefits of hydrogen are the ability to ramp up, converting the existing fleet with dual fuel, when you stop selling diesel & petrol they become fully eco friendly or just sit and rust. As we have recently found electric cars are less eco friendly than conventional cars until they have covered 50,000 miles. If the premium for Hydrogen dual fuel is ~ £1-3000 (the price being quoted for retrofit) it would be a no brainer to buy a dual fuel hydrogen vehicle.

Hydrogen

• When hydrogen is burnt, only water is released, making hydrogen potentially the cleanest road transport fuel available. However, when burnt in conjunction with (even) small amounts of fossil fuel in an ICE, high temperatures can result in NOx emissions being produced, along with very small amounts of hydrocarbons and carbon dioxide. However, its tailpipe emissions will still be much lower than a conventional diesel van - ULEMCo duel fuel Ford Transit conversion produced 40% less nitrous oxide than a conventional diesel van .

This lot seem convincing.

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Fuel cells then takeover from battery cars removing the need for many of the nasty elements batteries need.

[AtW]

What about those who live in the countryside (no street lights) in houses without driveways or garages?

Let them eat cake?

[HoofHearted]

Really we need ubiquitous car charging everywhere, even if that's an adapter on street lights, so that those in flats and houses without driveways or garages can charge.

What about those who live in the countryside (no street lights) in houses without driveways or garages?

[wattaj]

A project I have seen proposes to use street lights as a source of charging. This would make sense, especially given that LED street lights draw far less power and trickle charging vehicles wouldn't overwhelm the local supplies.

A pipe dream would be wireless charging, albeit the technology being a decade or more away.

Really we need ubiquitous car charging everywhere, even if that's an adapter on street lights, so that those in flats and houses without driveways or garages can charge. The cars probably need at least 200+ mile range and ideally, for me, 350 to 400 miles. At present I would only a Tesla model S but that's too expensive for someone who doesn't drive much and doesn't plan to. The market in 5 years will look very different. In the mean time an ICE car may still be viable on the cheap, although the fuel costs, extra tax and other measures to dissuade people will pile up.

If only there were a national network of convenient locations where one could refuel in under 5 minutes and be on one's way.

[rogerfederer]

Charging will still be an issue. And not everyone can run a power cable from their home to their car. Convenience will win in the end.

A project I have seen proposes to use street lights as a source of charging. This would make sense, especially given that LED street lights draw far less power and trickle charging vehicles wouldn't overwhelm the local supplies.

A pipe dream would be wireless charging, albeit the technology being a decade or more away.

Really we need ubiquitous car charging everywhere, even if that's an adapter on street lights, so that those in flats and houses without driveways or garages can charge. The cars probably need at least 200+ mile range and ideally, for me, 350 to 400 miles. At present I would only a Tesla model S but that's too expensive for someone who doesn't drive much and doesn't plan to. The market in 5 years will look very different. In the mean time an ICE car may still be viable on the cheap, although the fuel costs, extra tax and other measures to dissuade people will pile up.

[rogerfederer]

Disagree. Battery technology is improving rapidly, it will be become much cheaper over the coming years. Range of ordinary electric cars will break the 500 mile range soon and be no more expensive to buy than a current dinosaur fuel car.

Hydrogen technology will go nowhere.

Hydrogen is a PR exercise by oil and gas companies to try find a future existence. Most of them have funded anti climate change misinformation bodies and so can go die off, as far as I'm concerned. This will happen in time. Hydrogen requires a complex process and offloading byproducts. That in itself uses a lot of energy. It's not the future, unless some unique unimaginably efficient process can be created. Perhaps in 50 years, but it's not on the horizon.

If anybody needs an example of a company in denial of their inevitable diminishing then look no further than ExxonMobil. Their year end results blurb actively rallies against climate change and the company PR has repeatedly stated that they don't plan to change. It's likely Shell will replace them in the future, as Shell are trying to investigate alternatives, including batteries. BP are all public relations too and are only making token efforts to show change rather than actually change.