Don't buy a car.

[vetran]

Fair enough on the solar investment.

You can predict/control electricity demand as much as you want, the problem is infrastructure delivers electricity, not software. Moixa focus their EV plans on B2B. B2C use patterns of cars outside of commutes is a completely different beast.

If you have control of the demand tap at each endpoint via a smart meter & charger then yes you can adjust load. If we don't we will be switching off the grid in places so everyone can charge their Teslas.

Commuter vehicle charging loads tend to be during the night when use of electricity falls 30% the grid has excess capacity.

It is not going to fix everything but its a start.

[_V_]

Try to keep it short for you.

Solar & powerwall is a £10-20k investment. Most houses won't spend that. £500 for a charger is about the limit.

People are going to have to shell out another £10K soon or get used to living in a cold house.

Cut meat and dairy by a FIFTH to save planet: Report tells Brits to slash car trips and curb flights | Daily Mail Online

A dramatic report from the government's Climate Change Committee laid out a swathe of measures to slash emissions over the next 15 years.

It urged moves including halting sales of gas boilers by 2033, banning new fossil-fuelled cars – including hybrids – by 2032, and encouraging people to cut the amount of meat and dairy they eat by a fifth in the next decade.

The plan is part of a push for UK to meet a target of getting emissions down 78 per cent by 2035 compared to 1990 levels.

It represents a major increase in ambition in UK climate efforts, with the new 2035 target almost as tough as the previous long term goal of 80 per cent cuts by 2050, which was in place before the net zero law was passed in June 2019.

However, the report from the advisory body suggests that energy efficiency measures could cost £10,000 per home.

[clearedforlanding]

Try to keep it short for you.

Solar & powerwall is a £10-20k investment. Most houses won't spend that. £500 for a charger is about the limit.

If you can control the demand locally by using smart meters predicting demand is easy. With my idea when you have excess you can first charge emergency storage e.g. water /Hydrogen storage then dump to charging cars, when you are short you can cut off the cars, if you are really clever you can use the cars as storage.

Plenty of heavy electric users have been doing something similar for years.

Recent implementations by people like Moixa are showing the way.

GridShare Services - Moixa : Moixa

Fair enough on the solar investment.

You can predict/control electricity demand as much as you want, the problem is infrastructure delivers electricity, not software. Moixa focus their EV plans on B2B. B2C use patterns of cars outside of commutes is a completely different beast.

[vetran]

No, your posts are often too long.

In Germany I have solar & a Powerwall. This works very well.

Perhaps you are underestimating how long it takes to spin up a power station or wind farm to demand. Hell even the tea break during Coronation street is a pretty major & precision exercise.

Electricity flows across the grid, it is not routed like IP traffic making demand adjustments at a micro level very tricky.

Try to keep it short for you.

Solar & powerwall is a £10-20k investment. Most houses won't spend that. £500 for a charger is about the limit.

If you can control the demand locally by using smart meters predicting demand is easy. With my idea when you have excess you can first charge emergency storage e.g. water /Hydrogen storage then dump to charging cars, when you are short you can cut off the cars, if you are really clever you can use the cars as storage.

Plenty of heavy electric users have been doing something similar for years.

Recent implementations by people like Moixa are showing the way.

GridShare Services - Moixa : Moixa

[clearedforlanding]

Did you not read the post?

Grid controlled chargers will allow us to charge as many cars as possible over night. If you can sell cheap centrally controlled electricity for car chargers we can accommodate a third of generation capacity (the drop overnight) for electric cars.

No it won't solve all the supply issues but it gives us breathing room while we formulate a strategy and improve batteries.

My suggestion would be convert expensive vehicles (Trucks/Buses) to Hydrogen and build a distribution infrastructure that cars can use later.

Offer Hydrogen conversion to classic and even popular cars when infrastructure improves ~ 60% of cars are over 6 years old.

Promote Hydrogen fuel cell cars.

Switch off petrol & Diesel gradually as Hydrogen/Electric become more common.

Remove rare elements from batteries as soon as possible and offer battery cars in parallel as we improve the national grid & generation.

Or we can just let the substations burn!

No, your posts are often too long.

In Germany I have solar & a Powerwall. This works very well.

Perhaps you are underestimating how long it takes to spin up a power station or wind farm to demand. Hell even the tea break during Coronation street is a pretty major & precision exercise.

Electricity flows across the grid, it is not routed like IP traffic making demand adjustments at a micro level very tricky.

[vetran]

Economy 7 does not scale as more people shift to charging overnight.

Did you not read the post?

Grid controlled chargers will allow us to charge as many cars as possible over night. If you can sell cheap centrally controlled electricity for car chargers we can accommodate a third of generation capacity (the drop overnight) for electric cars.

No it won't solve all the supply issues but it gives us breathing room while we formulate a strategy and improve batteries.

My suggestion would be convert expensive vehicles (Trucks/Buses) to Hydrogen and build a distribution infrastructure that cars can use later.

Offer Hydrogen conversion to classic and even popular cars when infrastructure improves ~ 60% of cars are over 6 years old.

Promote Hydrogen fuel cell cars.

Switch off petrol & Diesel gradually as Hydrogen/Electric become more common.

Remove rare elements from batteries as soon as possible and offer battery cars in parallel as we improve the national grid & generation.

Or we can just let the substations burn!

[clearedforlanding]

Well what makes the most sense is "economy 7 for car charging". Make the car chargers intelligent maybe add optical outputs on smart meters that allow the grid to control charging. That would allow you to plug in the car charger controller and you can pick "random minimum 4/8hr overnight charge", sometimes you might want to override this on the charger then pay the full price. This allows the Grid to charge you low rates to charge your car overnight but only when they predict spikes in generation.

20:00-> 06:30 is the dip

Fuel Mix and Carbon Intensity, Last 24 Hours

and 8 hours full charge but 35 minutes for 100 miles.
How Long Does It Take to Charge an Electric Car? | Pod Point.

Economy 7 does not scale as more people shift to charging overnight.

[Mordac]

We will have to import it from far flung places that will probably be hostile and living in 3rd World conditions.

Cornwall lithium deposits ''globally significant'' - BBC News

It's potentially good news, but it sounds too much like the fracking process, and the environmental protests will go on for decades.

[_V_]

We will have to import it from far flung places that will probably be hostile and living in 3rd World conditions.

Cornwall lithium deposits ''globally significant'' - BBC News

[Mordac]

From the Graun: It's a long article, but worth a read.

The curse of 'white oil': electric vehicles' dirty secret | News | The Guardian