The Elephant in the room

[MrMarkyMark]

Very good article here.

It seems they are currently unsure how long immunity will last for Covid-19.

What We Know About Coronavirus Immunity and Reinfection | Time

[Whorty]

But Coronavirus has already produced multiple mutations, so it will be as useless as the flu jab, in the long term?

Not true. There are 2 strains, not mutations. One is more prevalent than the other, but from what I've read that doesn't mean that the more prevalent strain in more dangerous, although it does suggest that it spreads more easily.

[Old Greg]

To my knowledge

Deep breath...

[Scoobos]

All this stuff is heresay Marky, lets just wait for the actual scientific consensus on it.

The only current concensus is that it is a "Slow mutator", which is good news. (there's only 2 recorded strains, and according to china the first was too deadly and is not the one that's "got out" as it doesn't transfer as well - again this is only something I read about a month ago now tho)

A vaccine makes all this irrelevant, to the developed world, a lot of these articles are talking like we live in the 1900's - we've computing and scientific power beyond belief ; It would be worth discussing natural immunity, if we've found something we've never seen before and cannot comprehend.

Vaccination of the vulnerable is the answer, now figuring out who the vulnerable are is another thing we have to wait for.

[Andy2]

Probably we will need to vaccinate against this virus every year.
I assume human life expectancy has shortened by a few years now. Maybe pension age should be decreased to 60.

[Whorty]

To my knowledge, human's have not developed immunity to ANY corona viruses yet (Common cold, SARs, Flu, etc), so what will make this one different?

What are the Cukker's crackpot theories.

Not true. The antibodies to both SARS and MERS are still in the system months and up to a few years after the patient has recovered. What researchers don't know is how much (if any) immunity the antibodies afford the patient - this is because they are not aware of any sufferer of either SARs or MERs to have been re-infected.

Re the common cold, the thinking is that whilst the cold doesn't mutate much, and we all have antibodies in our systems, re infection still happens. This is generally thought to be because the common cold has evolved with humans and may have found a way to fool our immune system. With these SARs type illnesses, the virus has jumped to us and hence may not be able to survive a second go if we have the antibodies in our systems.

No one knows 100% for sure yet ... but what we can't say either is that we have not developed immunity.

[The Janter Effect]

To my knowledge, human's have not developed immunity to ANY corona viruses yet (Common cold, SARs, Flu, etc), so what will make this one different?

What are the Cukker's crackpot theories.

What does David Icke say? Well doesn't really matter because it all leads to the moon is man made.

And... lizards.

[jamesbrown]

If MF is in the room, it’s MF.

[MrMarkyMark]

All this stuff is heresay Marky, lets just wait for the actual scientific consensus on it.

The only current concensus is that it is a "Slow mutator", which is good news. (there's only 2 recorded strains, and according to china the first was too deadly and is not the one that's "got out" as it doesn't transfer as well - again this is only something I read about a month ago now tho)

A vaccine makes all this irrelevant, to the developed world, a lot of these articles are talking like we live in the 1900's - we've computing and scientific power beyond belief ; It would be worth discussing natural immunity, if we've found something we've never seen before and cannot comprehend.

Vaccination of the vulnerable is the answer, now figuring out who the vulnerable are is another thing we have to wait for.

Natural immunity obviously exists as many are asymptomatic, who have tested positive, as has been observed in Iceland.

I would be very surprised if any of us have not been exposed to the virus at all, for example. Whether you get sick depends on your immunity and the viral load you get.

People are talking about the viral load a lot more, it seems to be a big factor in depending on how sick, or dead, you get. This is why keeping your hands clean is so important.

I've known for weeks about the issue of viral load, see the original quote I was sent below, which has made me extra careful.

All, this information has come from a medical Doctor. Worth a read so you can make some sense of the current guidance.

“Why do we need to shut places where people group?

Remember this: VIRAL LOAD

There will be a lot about this. Why is it important?

With this virus, the amount of virus in your blood at first infection directly relates to the severity of the illness you will suffer. This isn’t unusual - HIV management is all about reducing viral load to keep people alive longer. BUT it’s very important in COVID-19.

So if you are in, say, a pub or religious building or entertainment venue with 200 people and a large number don’t have symptoms but are shedding, you are breathing in lots of droplets per minute and absorbing a high load of the virus. In a crowded space. They become ill over the next 48 hours. You then three days later wonder why you can’t breathe and end up in hospital. You’d decided because you were young and healthy it wasn’t going to be a problem. Wrong.

Fortunately but unfortunately because the elderly are isolating quite well, the initial UK data suggests that all age groups above 20 are almost equally represented in ITUs in England. Most of the cases are in London but the wave is moving outwards.

This means that being under 60 and fit and well doesn’t seem to be as protective as we thought. Why? Viral load.

This may be skewed simply by the fact that too many Londoners didn’t do as asked and congregated in large groups in confined spaces and got a large initial viral load. They then went home and infected their wider families. Which is why, as London is overwhelmed, we need to shut everything down to save the rest of the UK. We are a week at most behind London.

Our sympathies go out to the families affected in London and the critical care teams battling right now to save as many as they can.

If I sit with one person and catch this virus, I get a small viral load. My immune system will start to fight it and by the time the virus starts replicating, I’m ready to kill it.

No medicines will help this process meaningfully hence there is no “cure” for this virus. All we can do is support you with a ventilator and hope your immune system can catch up fast enough.

If I sit in the same room with six people, all shedding I get six times the initial dose. The rise in viral load is faster than my immune system can cope with and it is overrun. I then become critically ill and need me (or an ITU/HDU specialist) to fix it instead of just being at home and being ok in the end.

THIS BIT IS IMPORTANT:

If you are a large family group, remember that by being ill and in the same room, you will make each other ill or “more ill”. If you get sick, isolate just yourself to one room and stay there. Don’t all sit in one room coughing. You will increase the viral load for all of you, reducing your survival rate.

A family of six people may produce double the droplets of a family of three in the same space. Maths is important.

If one of you is symptomatic, assume you are all shedding and make sure you keep some space.

Parents are getting it from their kids because no one is going to stop comforting their child (nor should they) so the parent gets a big hit as well as the child. I don’t think that can be helped.

REMEMBER: THINK ABOUT VIRAL LOAD

It could save your life or your child’s.

Britain, it’s up to you now. We are preparing for the worst but we are hoping for the best from you. Please help us to help you. Stay home and take this seriously now before we need the army on the streets to remind you. Yes I’m serious.”

[DoctorStrangelove]

What does David Icke say? Well doesn't really matter because it all leads to the moon is man made.

And... lizards.

Be careful what you wish for

Natural immunity obviously exists as many are asymptomatic, who have tested positive, as has been observed in Iceland.

I would be very surprised if any of us have not been exposed to the virus at all, for example. Whether you get sick depends on your immunity and the viral load you get.

People are talking about the viral load a lot more, it seems to be a big factor in depending on how sick, or dead, you get. This is why keeping your hands clean is so important.

I've known for weeks about the issue of viral load, see the original quote I was sent below, which has made me extra careful.

There was a cougher in the library computer room on the 16th of March.

I was out of there immediately & haven't been back (it's closed anyway since then).

Aside from the Sunday trip to the shops I've been isolated ever since , it might be paranoid but better safe than sorry.

Then again, considering the state of the keyboards & mice it might have been quite a good place to build up immunity.