The End Of Reality TV

[Spartacus]

only time will tell i guess.....

True, depends how shallow the grave was as to how long it takes before someone out walking the dog comes across the body.

[DodgyAgent]

Dodgy, in England people do tolerate foreigners, but on one conditions, that the foreigner is below them and don't dare to be better than them, have better manners or ethics, the minute English people realise that a foreigner has higher values ethics and standard then the ugly monster comes out, and it attacks viciously... this is my experience and that was my opinion, some of you are in denial and that is OK ... we have to agree on disagreeing, just like I disagreed with you over the war !! but am not alone in thinking that what is going on was racism..

I am amazed that some of you are actually denying racism, when on every post you guys post there are some sort of a racist or sexist remark... as I said, read this forum and tell me that racism is not the norm in this country, I believe people speak their mind on this forum, and they wouldn't dare be open about their opinions in public...

Oh yea and I agree my heart really bleeds for the middle classes they do have it tough, all these foreigners around them have well brought up academic kids, while their own kids are badly brought up swear constantly and most are school drop outs... they do have it tough!!

you have no coherent point, no actual argument, you simly spew bigotry and hypocrisy using meaningless cliches. My sympathy was not with the middle classes it was with the working classes. My entire point was that you and I as middle class people can afford to detach ourselves from the cauldron of multiculturalism by virtue of being able to afford to live where we wish.

You my dear little apologist are simply the incarnation of middle class guilt cowardice and hypocrisy. It is quite interesting how you seem to expect tolerance only from the english yet not from anyone else.

[DodgyAgent]

[QUOTE=LegendsWear7]

........ For people like you Sandy to stand up and squeal "racism" is pretty disgusting in itself. Believe it or not black people are just as capable as anyone else of standing up to criticism or abuse as you or any white person is. It does no one any good to be protected from criticism by playing the racist card.

Whilst we can all sneer from our middle class castles at the oiks like Jade Goodie, remember that it is not us that are asked to integrate with immigrants, it is the white working classes who have to deal with the problems of race integration (schools, social services, language etc).

So if you want to unload your own guilt on to the plebs like Jade Goody (isnt she useful?) and focus your own bigotry away from yourself then fine. But just do not think you are fooling all of us.


Perfecto. Once again !

Dodgy - you ever thought about being a backbench MP ? You'd get my vote. Think of all the benefits and interesting social options that seem to be on offer for those guys.......

i dont (yet ) have the dodgy skeletons in my closet to qualify. Fancy a shag?

[SandyDown]

you have no coherent point, no actual argument, you simly spew bigotry and hypocrisy using meaningless cliches. My sympathy was not with the middle classes it was with the working classes. My entire point was that you and I as middle class people can afford to detach ourselves from the cauldron of multiculturalism by virtue of being able to afford to live where we wish.

You my dear little apologist are simply the incarnation of middle class guilt cowardice and hypocrisy. It is quite interesting how you seem to expect tolerance only from the english yet not from anyone lse.

YOU are the biggest bigot..

What donsititute being a middle calss in your opinion?? I am none of your English classes my dear.. am a foreigner full stop


Tell me why when I say I was subjected to discrimination and racism this makes me a hypocrite or a middle class apologist incarnation.. everything I said came from a personal experience, now by sitting in my garden thinking about the meaning of life... do you really believe that you are a fair and a none racist?? if so when was the last time you called your Indian or Chinese colleagues and asked them to go to the pub or go and see a movie??

<<tolerance only from the english yet not from anyone lse>>

Jeee I wonder if this is because the others are actually tolerant

<<do you really believe that you are a fair and a none racist?? >>

yes - because I demand that the English should be more tolerant and eliminate racisim it does not mean that I am a racist against the English... in fact the mere fact I am bothering to voice my opinion shows that I do care about this society and my desire to improve it

[SandyDown]

Yeah feck off back to wherever it is you came from.... and that was not a joke btw

Just to make this clear - I would looooove to **** off where I came from ... unfortunately because of the English .. where I came from does not exist any longer ... hence this is my home ... its been my home since teenage years, my desire to improve my home means I care about it.

SallyAnne most of the time a joke has a stem of truth in it, your opinions re women and foreigners are very known and well voiced here... but what can I say you are the typical English person that I am hoping my opinions would improve

[The Lone Gunman]

Just to make this clear - I would looooove to **** off where I came from ... unfortunately because of the English .. where I came from does not exist any longer ... hence this is my home ... its been my home since teenage years, my desire to improve my home means I care about it.

SallyAnne most of the time a joke has a stem of truth in it, your opinions re women and foreigners are very known and well voiced here... but what can I say you are the typical English person that I am hoping my opinions would improve

Sandy, I am getting the idea that you have a rather large chip on your shoulder.

Where are you from?

Once again, could you explain why what Jade said is racist?
Why are you so happy to be racist against the English?
If you hate the English and what they have done to you why do you insist on living in England amongst the English?

[SallyAnne]

SallyAnne most of the time a joke has a stem of truth in it, your opinions re women and foreigners are very known and well voiced here... but what can I say you are the typical English person that I am hoping my opinions would improve

My opinion regarding women are "drawn from personal experience" so are as valid as yours.

My opinions regarding "foreigners"....well you've clearly never listened to a word I've ever said on the subject. I dont want people to leave the country because they "look a bit funny" - I'd actually fight for them to be here. And I've had more than a couple of arguments on this board regarding the racist attitude of some people. I cant, and wont, tolerate it.
That's the opinion I've voiced on here since day 1 sweetheart. Which is why I'm so fricken angry at you right now, cause thats exactly what you are displaying!!
No group of people should ever be tarred with one negative brush because of stereotypes and personal experiences - and thats what you're doing in this thread Sandy...and making yourself look like a right charlie in the process.

and the "feck of home" comment WAS a joke - it was one of the most contraversial things said on BB, which is why I said it.

[Spacecadet]

this thread needs locking, it could get to 117 pages before any further progress in the discussion is made

[3ill]

The racism on this board is living truth that this country still has a deep hatred for anyone who is different..

Troll - "F!ck of back home..." very classy you Chav! (or is that white trash?) you should be so lucky.. India currently stands as the third largest investor in the UK.. you should be so lucky that the British citizens of Asian origin are attracting this type of investment here..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6267387.stm

Those of you you who are saying that the middle class don't have to worry about immigrants/integration are not in a good position at all to comment on this issue. By your own admission you don't (don't like to?) interact with anyone of a different race and as such how would you know what racism and how its subtleties are interpreted?? - maybe by watching Celebrity Big Brother??

Its easy for you guys who don't have any Indian/Black/Chinese friends to say "Oh, thats not racism, its just bullying" etc.. talk to an Indian/Black/Chinese etc etc person, ask them when they were going to school how they felt when this was happening to them? To simply brush it off as bullying is dumbing down the issue!

I love living here.. I deal with the fact that some people are racist. I live in hope that people like Jade will evolve to an extent where they are no longer calling Indians "Popadoms" or making monkey noises, or telling them to go back to the slums (i could go on but I wont..) But dismissing this as bullying will just sweep this type of issue under the covers so that conveniently you can all say Britain doesn't have a racism problem its just the immigrants don't want to integrate.

[SallyAnne]

The racism on this board is living truth that this country still has a deep hatred for anyone who is different..

Troll - "F!ck of back home..." very classy you Chav! (or is that white trash?) you should be so lucky.. India currently stands as the third largest investor in the UK.. you should be so lucky that the British citizens of Asian origin are attracting this type of investment here..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6267387.stm

Those of you you who are saying that the middle class don't have to worry about immigrants/integration are not in a good position at all to comment on this issue. By your own admission you don't (don't like to?) interact with anyone of a different race and as such how would you know what racism and how its subtleties are interpreted?? - maybe by watching Celebrity Big Brother??

Its easy for you guys who don't have any Indian/Black/Chinese friends to say "Oh, thats not racism, its just bullying" etc.. talk to an Indian/Black/Chinese etc etc person, ask them when they were going to school how they felt when this was happening to them? To simply brush it off as bullying is dumbing down the issue!

I love living here.. I deal with the fact that some people are racist. I live in hope that people like Jade will evolve to an extent where they are no longer calling Indians "Popadoms" or making monkey noises, or telling them to go back to the slums (i could go on but I wont..) But dismissing this as bullying will just sweep this type of issue under the covers so that conveniently you can all say Britain doesn't have a racism problem its just the immigrants don't want to integrate.

I think what this thread is teaching us is that people have assumptions and stereotypes on both sides.

Why assume we dont have friends other than English born white friends?! My best mate growing up was black, my other halfs best mate now is black (soon to be our best man), my first adult relationship was with an Asian Muslim. I feel like tulip listing all this out, but I'm still seething with p*ss over Sandy pretty much acusing me of being a racist!

I'm not for one minute saying that racism doesn't go on in this country - I feel its rife, throughout the country, and yes stemming from school. It embedded in this country (like I've said throughout umpteen threads!)
I just dont think it was shown in BB - that was the media spinning everything out of control. The lasses just didn't like Shilpa - NOT because she was Indian, but just because they didn't like her.
And even though racism is rife in this country, the British public voted jade out!!! They voted Jade, national celebrity, out of the house against an Indian women that none of us had even heard of!!! For feks sake - does that not count for anything? English are still scummy racist b*st*rds eh?
Yous couldn't come on here this morning and say "what a good result - I'm proud to live in this country now"? No! Yous have to come on and still slam the English.

Grrrrrrr!!!! Off to the pub in disgust! ( any excuse)