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Give the man a medal, don't arrest him...
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Originally posted by northernladyuk View PostWhen you use dehumanising language like 'importing them in quantity', you sound like a nasty piece of work.…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by NickFitz View PostFor those interested in understanding the law about such matters, as opposed to what some bloke said down the pub, here's a barrister on the subject: Bashing burglars and the law of self-defence
'The first question that a jury must ask is Did the defendant believe or may he have believed that it was necessary to use force to defend himself an attack or imminent attack on himself or others or to protect property or prevent crime?'
Ok so lets say I have two teenage daughters at home and chavy scrote A breaks into my house.
I have no idea as to the intentions of chavy scrote A but as he is in my house uninvited I have to assume he intends to do me and my family harm.
The only way I can guarantee that he cannot do my family harm at this point - or another future point - is to incapacitate him in a way which makes it impossible for him to ever be able to threaten me or my family again.
And so you have to say that in 'every' case almost lethal force must be used because if it is not then you leave yourself open to a future problem - e.g. that person will retaliate - even if it is not at that point it could be in 1 year, 5 years, 10 year s etc.Comment
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Originally posted by original PM View PostSo from this
'The first question that a jury must ask is Did the defendant believe or may he have believed that it was necessary to use force to defend himself an attack or imminent attack on himself or others or to protect property or prevent crime?'
Ok so lets say I have two teenage daughters at home and chavy scrote A breaks into my house.
I have no idea as to the intentions of chavy scrote A but as he is in my house uninvited I have to assume he intends to do me and my family harm.Comment
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Originally posted by northernladyuk View PostYou have no idea that the intruder is a threat to your property or that he is committing a crime? It doesn't seem to be a necessary condition to believe that the intruder intends violence.
I have to assume they want to take things which are mine.
I also have to assume they will use violence to do this.
I have to assume all these things because an honest law abiding citizen would not be in my house uninvited and so that leaves the section of the society which are not law abiding and therefore potentially prone to violence.Comment
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Originally posted by northernladyuk View PostYou have no idea that the intruder is a threat to your property or that he is committing a crime? It doesn't seem to be a necessary condition to believe that the intruder intends violence.
I live in a fairly safe area, but there is still a bokken under the bed and I know how to use it.Blog? What blog...?Comment
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Originally posted by original PM View PostI have to assume if someone comes into my house uninvited they do not intend to hoover my carpets and sweep the kitchen floor.
I have to assume they want to take things which are mine.
I also have to assume they will use violence to do this.
I have to assume all these things because an honest law abiding citizen would not be in my house uninvited and so that leaves the section of the society which are not law abiding and therefore potentially prone to violence.Comment
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostHe's a threat simply by being there uninvited. It's up to him to demonstrate any good intentions. Waving a screwdriver in my face probably doesn't qualify as such, but nor does his sudden appearance in my bedroom.
I live in a fairly safe area, but there is still a bokken under the bed and I know how to use it.
Years of tabloid nonsense really have taken their toll on the country.Comment
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Originally posted by northernladyuk View PostWhen you use dehumanising language like 'importing them in quantity', you sound like a nasty piece of work.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...o-Romania.html
If you review the various most wanted lists about there are a large number of serious criminals that appear to be from elsewhere. There are plenty of examples in the papers of people convicted (in their own countries of serious crimes) arriving here and offending again.
National Crime Agency - Most Wanted Listings
https://crimestoppers-uk.org/most-wanted/
There are statistics
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/67...ts-are-foreign
The Home Office said that 29,000 overseas offenders had been removed from Britain since 2010.
A spokesperson for the Home Office said: “We have removed more than 41,000 foreign offenders since 2010. In 2016-17 we removed 6,346 foreign offenders, the highest number of removals ever and this week, like every week, more than 100 foreign criminals will be removed from the UK.
Foreign nationals make up 10% of the prison population (has been up to 14%) . Interestingly they are 51% european so are the same "race" as me, I can assure I don't like rapists & murderers of any ethnicity.
UK Prison Population Statistics - Commons Library briefing - UK Parliament
I suspect the figures would be higher but they tend to release them early so they can deport them easily or immediately deport them for lesser crimes.
If we excluded those that had offended before they arrived here I would expect the foreign national percentage to be far lower than our own local criminals as most are life long offenders.
Now I am prepared to believe that being a first / second generation immigrant is hard and a few may lose their way but we are allowing some in knowing or not checking whether they have committed horrible crimes and logically will commit similar again. I don't approve of this and if they were all coming from Jersey & named John Smith looking like JRM (softy) I would still disapprove.
Do please indicate which race I offended when I mentioned this? I did suggest those we import (you may find the word odd but Mandelson "sent out search parties") may include criminals and as we know we don't control their entry and in many cases we can't because of an organisation we can only discuss in a sub forum.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism
I don't believe my 'race' is superior as I said we have our own home grown scumbags.
As we all come from Eve (via Africa if you don't believe in God) I only truly believe there is one 'race' , but certain traits are used to differentiate by many people and then there is unpleasantness.
The Romanian above is probably close enough to my 'race' that it doesn't matter, however he is still unpleasant and we have one more scumbag here we wouldn't have if we controlled our borders properly,
If people find these facts difficult to understand then I'm sorry just decry me as a racist if that makes you feel better.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Originally posted by vetran View PostSo disprove the statement not smear the person.Comment
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