Shocked, Shocked I tell you EU edition

[sasguru]

that's try TO get, not try AND get.

you can be summed up with elegant simplicity though:

twat

Seems like you're the pedantic (and incorrect) twat:

Try to get over “try and” | Macmillan Dictionary Blog

[rl4engc]

But you consider the Tory way of 0% Tax if you're really big business, and screw the small businesses?
...because we daren't tax big businesses in case they leave the country.

No it's not acceptable, having tax havens e.g. British Virgin Islands is unjustified and an embarrasment TBH. Tax for big business needs to be fair but it needs to be fair across the globe otherwise big business will just move to wherever they can get away with paying hardly anything. This is where the UN or WTO needs to step up to the plate.

[rl4engc]

So just out of interest do you want to leave the single market and the customs union i.e. a hard Brexit. Or more like a Norway model i.e. a soft Brexit?

Hard to say as it depends on what other conditions and suchlike are attached when the negotiations conclude. If the EU stance was a granite "No Single Market access without Free Movement of People" then I'd say no Single Market, and revert to WTO.

If they said "No Single Market access without Free Movement of Skilled Labour" then I'd say "Sounds fair, Single Market it is!"

[sasguru]

Fact is a hard Brexit would ruin Britain.
If that wasn't the case, we'd be gone a long time ago.
As it is no one has come up with a plan a year after the referendum.
We look like a laughing stock on the world stage

[WTFH]

No it's not acceptable, having tax havens e.g. British Virgin Islands is unjustified and an embarrasment TBH. Tax for big business needs to be fair but it needs to be fair across the globe otherwise big business will just move to wherever they can get away with paying hardly anything. This is where the UN or WTO needs to step up to the plate.

Oh, so now it's not the EU that are evil but the UN and WTO.

If Britain wants to go it alone, Britain needs to grow up and take responsibility.
Britain will get nowhere if it is just jumping from blaming one group to blaming the next.
"Britain can't tighten up its borders because of the EU" (false)
"Britain can't make its own laws because of the EU" (false)
"Britain can't tax big businesses because of the UN/WTO" (false)

You say politicians are in it to make money, well unfortunately the ones running the UK are like the worst project managers - rather than trying to find solutions, all they are doing is trying to find who to blame for their own inability to deliver.
And the worst thing about it is that the politicians and media feed the stories out to keep the fear, hatred and blaming of "others" going as strongly as possible, because that's what they want.

Solving problems is far harder than blaming others, so take the easy way out.

[NotAllThere]

that's try TO get, not try AND get

Both are correct usage, especially colloquially (and it's not uncommon for colloquial English to be the norm of online forums).

You can find similar constructions in the King James Bible (one of the major influences on modern English), so it has good precedence. It appears to a form of multiple word verb, similar to a hendiadys, in the style of to "rant and rave". So to "try and get". Here, the whole verb is "try and get". It's almost another grammatical case - it's certainly quite an ancient construction. It works in the imperative, not so much in the present. "He tries and gets home" doesn't really work.

[darmstadt]

[vetran]

UTTER twat

he's growing on you!

[vetran]

We look like a laughing stock on the world stage

I bow to your extensive expertise in that arena.

[OwlHoot]

Both are correct usage, especially colloquially (and it's not uncommon for colloquial English to be the norm of online forums).

You can find similar constructions in the King James Bible (one of the major influences on modern English), so it has good precedence. It appears to a form of multiple word verb, similar to a hendiadys, in the style of to "rant and rave". So to "try and get". Here, the whole verb is "try and get". It's almost another grammatical case - it's certainly quite an ancient construction. It works in the imperative, not so much in the present. "He tries and gets home" doesn't really work.

Arguably "try to get" means attempting but not yet obtaining, and "try and get" means to strive and as a result obtain.

If that is so then strictly speaking using the second to mean the first is wrong.