Tories Want Your House

[OwlHoot]

Funny thing is there are employers who want older people e.g. in retail, customer service but they don't want these people as they aren't presentable to the public or other businesses. ...

I thought it was because they had to pay higher pension contributions for older employees, assuming the company has a pension scheme.

[MeMeMe1966]

Right wing alert - I make no apology

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The methodology for analysing whether someone was fit for work was a national disgrace
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As a society we set criteria on who we will help. Determining if those who are asking for help fit those criteria is necessary. It is unfortunate if this process causes harm to those who do fit the criteria, but without checks the number of those conning the system would be much higher than 5%.

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If you vote Tory, you are part of the above and complicit in these actions.
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I voted Tory for the first time in 2015 because I don't believe in free money for anyone...full stop. I believe all human beings are by their very nature slightly lazy (myself included) and that we create a better society when people need to put effort into getting the means to their survival (food, housing, clothing, etc.). I remember how it was when I first came to this country in the early 90s and so many young able bodied people were on benefits with absolutely no shame at all. The high street agencies all had numerous index cards advertising jobs aplenty - so there was no lack of work. Why would we ever want to go back to that?

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"Why would you wish to damage the vast majority of 95% who are surely fully entitled to such disabled benefits, assistance, care-worker help and aid to push on in society and better themselves?"
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No one is entitled to anything! As a society we collectively agree through a process of democracy who we will help and to what extent. The recipients of this assistance are not entitled to it but rather subject to a review of how much assistance and why at the whim of any government at any time who is representing the tax payers. That is why different countries have different levels of social assistance and the levels within a country change over time according to the values of its people.

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Calling someone who votes differently than you names without even attempting to engage or understand the various reasons for their votes is not productive.


For what its worth I am still uncertain about how i will vote in a few weeks time but felt the whole shaming people for their vote thing needed to be addressed.

[Smartie]

Interpretation may vary...

That would be the Savage tory cuts?

During the Maggie/Major years those claiming Disability doubled. ~27% against 12% today.

Then the nice labour party started cutting it. (yes really).

Pretty much a straight line down from there, that horrid right wing coalition followed the trend established by New lie.

Camermoron & co stole the bread from the downtrodden at the same rate as Gordon B'Ruin.

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/7756



but do carry on believing the dogma.

See where the rising trend starts? Yes, around the time that Thatcher began decimating the industrial area of the UK resulting in massive unemployment. Of course people were heavily focused on unemployment stats at the time so what happened? All the over 50's (and others) who were binned from mining, steel, ship building and all the rest of it were signed onto incapacity benefit for the rest of their non-working lives.

This Faustian pact gave the unemployed a higher level of benefits and gave the government lower unemployment statistics.

Of course, by the mid-nineties, priorities started to change because a culture of signing on for incapacity was becoming ingrained in communities still ravaged by the loss of industry. A nice little earner for many but one that people started to get annoyed about and thus a crackdown began.

[SueEllen]

I thought it was because they had to pay higher pension contributions for older employees, assuming the company has a pension scheme.

Retailers like B&Q and Sainsburys don't mind older employees. Their pension schemes are defined contribution pension schemes so they don't have to pay more the older the worker.

It's only when the scheme is defined benefit you have to pay more in the older the worker which is why councils, government departments and other public sector bodies don't want to take on permies particularly if they are older.

[Halo Jones]

Remember these benefits automatically give access to other benefits so a disability benefit means you get housing & motability.

Not true, DLA / PIPs is a 2 part benefit one for living assistance & one for Motability; just because you get one part does not mean you automatically get the other.

As for housing again that depends if you are working - remember not all disabled people are unemployed, you can have a job and a disability.

DLA / PIP payments are to help cover the additional costs of being disabled & are means tested on that basis.

I actually agree with means testing in principle, it is how the test is done that matters.

[vetran]

Not true, DLA / PIPs is a 2 part benefit one for living assistance & one for Motability; just because you get one part does not mean you automatically get the other.

As for housing again that depends if you are working - remember not all disabled people are unemployed, you can have a job and a disability.

DLA / PIP payments are to help cover the additional costs of being disabled & are means tested on that basis.

I actually agree with means testing in principle, it is how the test is done that matters.

thanks I assumed it was pretty much a guarantee you got the motability etc once you got the first part.

Agree means testing makes sense as do assessments its just letting the usual idiots administer it that is causing problems.

[WordIsBond]

Bring in this policy, and I may have to have a tragic car accident if I get early on-set dementia.

That's all.

[northernladyuk]

Bring in this policy, and I may have to have a tragic car accident if I get early on-set dementia.

That's all.

The old man is looking for a lift share for his new contract.

[vetran]

See where the rising trend starts? Yes, around the time that Thatcher began decimating the industrial area of the UK resulting in massive unemployment. Of course people were heavily focused on unemployment stats at the time so what happened? All the over 50's (and others) who were binned from mining, steel, ship building and all the rest of it were signed onto incapacity benefit for the rest of their non-working lives.

This Faustian pact gave the unemployed a higher level of benefits and gave the government lower unemployment statistics.

Of course, by the mid-nineties, priorities started to change because a culture of signing on for incapacity was becoming ingrained in communities still ravaged by the loss of industry. A nice little earner for many but one that people started to get annoyed about and thus a crackdown began.

You know Labour closed more mines than the Tories ever did?

Pretty sure it wasn't a pact just a reaction to the rising unemployment that came with fixing the UK.



In the 80s many of my mates were working & signing on. Many 50 year olds discovered disability as a way of boosting benefits.

[xoggoth]

Bring in this policy, and I may have to have a tragic car accident if I get early on-set dementia

When I get too old to live alone I plan to murder somebody and have a nice life in prison.