Scottish Referendum Part 2 - Electric Boogaloo

[chopper]

Gawd, are you schizophrenic ? The first line of that article says that support for independence currently sits at 48% (before the campaign starts) but you claim that it's waning ?

Article was dated September 2016. Polls since then have shown lower support.

The EU would love Scotland to continue the UK's membership. The EU would be thinking about Scotland paying the UK's current net contributions. £8.6bn in 2016.

I imagine Sturgeon probably has something different in mind, probably thinking more along the lines of being a net recipient of EU money rather like 20 of the existing EU27.

Hence why Scotland's accession to the EU could never be 'automatic'.

But still, no pro-Independence Scot can explain how being in the EU is 'independence' in any way, shape or form.

[Batcher]

It gave them the right to hold a referendum and ask the electorate what they wanted to happen. Pretty democratic if you ask me.

No different from the Referendum that Scotland was given less than 3 years ago. If only people would recognise the will of the people and just get on with things.



Oh stop putting yourself down. I prefer to think of you as a simple organism that noisily converts porridge into faeces.

If the #Yoons had delivered the vows they promised in the latter stages of Indyref then fair enough but everything was reneged on.

Cameron's first speech was about EVEL which reduced Scottish MPs to 2nd class. An MP from a Scottish constituency can no longer be Prime Minister in Westminster as he wouldn't be able to vote on all laws passed.

The Smith Commission was set up and British Labour in Scotland actually reduced the amount of powers that even the Tories put forward. At the end up Smith was watered down from the promises made and then the Scotland Bill was passed with even fewer powers for the Scottish Parliament and all SNP MPs amendments were voted down.

It's actually the #Yoonionists who are destroying the #Yoonion. Lovely

[TestMangler]

Article was dated September 2016. Polls since then have shown lower support.

The EU would love Scotland to continue the UK's membership. The EU would be thinking about Scotland paying the UK's current net contributions. £8.6bn in 2016.

I imagine Sturgeon probably has something different in mind, probably thinking more along the lines of being a net recipient of EU money rather like 20 of the existing EU27.

Hence why Scotland's accession to the EU could never be 'automatic'.

But still, no pro-Independence Scot can explain how being in the EU is 'independence' in any way, shape or form.

It only needs explanation if you're particularly thick.

Name the first five EU Laws/Regulations that the UK government will repeal immediately when you 'take back control'.

[shaunbhoy]

You are the second most deluded person on this forum. possibly 3rd, but definitely one of the top three.

1999 - Labour get 38.81% of the scottish vote and SNP get 28.74%, Tories get 15.56%

2011 - Labour get 31.70% of the Scottish vote and SNP get 45.4%, Tories get 13.90%

2016 - Labour get 22.60% of the scottish vote and SNP get 46.50%, Tories get 22.00%

So it is abundantly clear that a great many current SNP voters have drifted across from Labour. Now if those voters were so "Pro-Indy" as you like to suggest, they could have called for an Indy Ref at various points when the Labour Party were the dominant party in Scotland.

If you can't see that this fact drives a coach and horses through your tedious "Pro Indy" claims, then you are probably beyond salvation.

[Batcher]

Scotland is already in the EU, and yet the UK is its biggest market. Leaving the UK would shrink its market, it wouldn't suddenly find new buyers for its stuff in the EU.

Bulltulip I'm afraid. An independent Scotland in the EU would then have the EU as it's biggest market. rUK is trying to make a deal with the EU which will include Scotland.

England sells £50Bn of goods to Scotland each year. Are they going to stop doing that if we are independent? Have a deal with everyone in the world apart from the country next to them on an island?

Scotland also sells electricity and water to England as we produce more than we need and you don't produce enough. If you stop dealing with us the lights will go out.

More people voted for May than voted for Sturgeon in their respective constituencies.
Were you shouting out against Sturgeon during her 18 months unelected term?


Ruth Davidson, a Tory, who is more popular in Scotland right now than Sturgeon.

That stat about Davidson is rubbish. It came from a Sky poll who asked the usual ~1,500 people who they preferred but only about 182 lived in Scotland. The details were on the website.

Scotland splitting from the UK is not really comparable to the UK splitting from the EU. The UK doesn't share a currency, a landmass or hundreds of years of sovereign Union with the EU.

You're looking to the past for Empire 2.0, we're looking to the future.

[TestMangler]

1999 - Labour get 38.81% of the scottish vote and SNP get 28.74%, Tories get 15.56%

2011 - Labour get 31.70% of the Scottish vote and SNP get 45.4%, Tories get 13.90%

2016 - Labour get 22.60% of the scottish vote and SNP get 46.50%, Tories get 22.00%

So it is abundantly clear that a great many current SNP voters have drifted across from Labour. Now if those voters were so "Pro-Indy" as you like to suggest, they could have called for an Indy Ref at various points when the Labour Party were the dominant party in Scotland.

If you can't see that this fact drives a coach and horses through your tedious "Pro Indy" claims, then you are probably beyond salvation.

So your assertion is that people who moved to the SNP are all pretending or opposing the number one reason the SNP exists, but still vote for them anyway. Did ye, aye ?

[northernladyuk]

It only needs explanation if you're particularly thick.

Name the first five EU Laws/Regulations that the UK government will repeal immediately when you 'take back control'.

I am interested in how you see this conundrum.

Independent Scotland outside the EU kind of defeats the point.

Independent Scotland inside the EU has a hard border with England disrupting trade.

[TestMangler]

I am interested in how you see this conundrum.

Independent Scotland outside the EU kind of defeats the point.

Independent Scotland inside the EU has a hard border with England disrupting trade.

Independent Scotland outside the EU kind of defeats the point. Possibly.

Independent Scotland inside the EU has a hard border with England disrupting trade.

Are you saying that the new, outward looking 'open for world trade' rUK will have no trade/customs agreement with the EU and/or will refuse to buy or sell to it's nearest neighbour ?

[northernladyuk]

Independent Scotland outside the EU kind of defeats the point. Possibly.

Independent Scotland inside the EU has a hard border with England disrupting trade.

Are you saying that the new, outward looking 'open for world trade' rUK will have no trade/customs agreement with the EU and/or will refuse to buy or sell to it's nearest neighbour ?

I think the UK is screwing this up royally and will end up with a hard border with the EU.

[Batcher]

Aye, and you "self-determined" to stay in the UK less than 3 years ago.

Or do you just suggest continuing to have referendums every few years until you "self-determine" the result that you want?

It's established that EU nationals were warned that a Yes vote would see us out of the EU and they would be sent home. Pensioners were phoned and doorstepped by BLiS and told they would lose their pensions - this is an established fact also. The UK government were forced to issue a letter saying that this was not the case as anyone who had paid in would be entitled to their pension but the damage was done.

Lots of large companies like the banks and insurance companies warned staff that they would have to move
out of Scotland in the case of a Yes vote because we would be out of the EU. This has now gone 180 degrees with Brexit and the possibility that Scotland could be independent in the EU will see companies leave England to set up in Scotland.