Scottish Referendum Part 2 - Electric Boogaloo

[chopper]

Name the first five EU Laws/Regulations that the UK government will repeal immediately when you 'take back control'.

The European Communities Act, for one. Which will repeal all of those EU laws and regulations.

Of course, there will be a Great Repeal Bill which is the worst named bill ever, since it will repeal one law and create some new laws which will enshrine most EU law and regulation into specific UK law and regulation which can be dealt with in due course.

But - I'm not a hard Brexiter, I am opposed to the direction of the European Union being towards a single country called Europe. (Which Juncker has reiterated this month). This was our opportunity to remove Britain from that. The baby need not be thrown out with the bathwater. As has been shown time and time again, expansion of the EU's remit hasn't been put to the people since the 1970s, and the shape of the EU today is not what the people of the 70s voted for.

I support being outside of that sphere, but within it for close economic ties (Norway, Switzerland, whatever). I believe Britain will end up there. And to be there, the UK's regulatory regime will need to align with that of the EU so that we can continue to sell stuff and things to them and so that their stuff and things can be sold to us.

I've said over and over - there will be a transitional arrangement for BAU during the Article 50 talks. In 2020, the Tories will fight the General Election with a manifesto promise to keep Britain within the single market (or at least full free trade with it), and therefore getting a mandate to deliver that.

[TestMangler]

I think the UK is screwing this up royally and will end up with a hard border with the EU.

Agreed. (wow, an agreement on this thread)

You avoided the question though.

[northernladyuk]

It's established that EU nationals were warned that a Yes vote would see us out of the EU and they would be sent home. Pensioners were phoned and doorstepped by BLiS and told they would lose their pensions - this is an established fact also. The UK government were forced to issue a letter saying that this was not the case as anyone who had paid in would be entitled to their pension but the damage was done.

Lots of large companies like the banks and insurance companies warned staff that they would have to move
out of Scotland in the case of a Yes vote because we would be out of the EU. This has now gone 180 degrees with Brexit and the possibility that Scotland could be independent in the EU will see companies leave England to set up in Scotland.

Possibly. More likely to go to Dublin I reckon.

[Batcher]

Really? Got a link for that?

There are lots. Not able to use Google yet?

Senior MEP says an independent Scotland could take the UK's place in the EU (From The National)

Independent Scotland could remain in EU after Brexit, leading expert says (From HeraldScotland)

When Scotland met Germany – POLITICO

[chopper]

A third of SNP voters voted for independence from the EU.

There are the 'double ooters' who voted to leave the UK in order to get out of the EU, so therefore also voted to leave the EU. They're going to vote to remain in an out-of-the-EU UK.

[TestMangler]

The European Communities Act, for one. Which will repeal all of those EU laws and regulations.

Of course, there will be a Great Repeal Bill which is the worst named bill ever, since it will repeal one law and create some new laws which will enshrine most EU law and regulation into specific UK law and regulation which can be dealt with in due course.

But - I'm not a hard Brexiter, I am opposed to the direction of the European Union being towards a single country called Europe. (Which Juncker has reiterated this month). This was our opportunity to remove Britain from that. The baby need not be thrown out with the bathwater. As has been shown time and time again, expansion of the EU's remit hasn't been put to the people since the 1970s, and the shape of the EU today is not what the people of the 70s voted for.

I support being outside of that sphere, but within it for close economic ties (Norway, Switzerland, whatever). I believe Britain will end up there. And to be there, the UK's regulatory regime will need to align with that of the EU so that we can continue to sell stuff and things to them and so that their stuff and things can be sold to us.

I've said over and over - there will be a transitional arrangement for BAU during the Article 50 talks. In 2020, the Tories will fight the General Election with a manifesto promise to keep Britain within the single market (or at least full free trade with it), and therefore getting a mandate to deliver that.

The great repeal bill (agreed, tulip name) doesn't repeal anything. It enshrines all current EU regs in UK law.

So, your assertion is that Scotland as an independent country in the EU, would be 'ruled by the EU' so therefore the UK is currently 'ruled by the EU'. However, the UK government has no immediate plans to change any of these oppressive laws in the short term. So, how exactly is any individual country ruled by the EU ? The UK was as much a part of creating EU regs as any other country in the EU and is equally culpable if any of them. The UK never at any point exercised any of the rights they have over migration and in fact, rejected some of them.

[Batcher]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-eu-membership

Doesn't really make you case, does it?

Jacqueline Minor, the European commission’s head of representation in the UK, said Scotland would need to formally apply after leaving the UK, although it could be fast-tracked because it already complies with EU rules and regulations.

We meet all requirements and are already EU citizens. We will be fast-tracked and especially as a get-it-right-up-ye to rUK by the EU27. The application will be a formality.

[Batcher]

Really? Well nobody appears to have told Ruth Davidson!

https://stv.tv/news/politics/1367060...than-sturgeon/

It also says May has a 47% doing a good job rating which just doesn't ring true.

If Davidson is so popular, why isn't she First Minister? Why did the SNP get over 1 Million votes in total in 2016, the highest ever by one party in the Scottish elections despite being in power for 10 years when traditionally a government will start losing votes?

[chopper]

The great repeal bill (agreed, tulip name) doesn't repeal anything. It enshrines all current EU regs in UK law.

So, your assertion is that Scotland as an independent country in the EU, would be 'ruled by the EU' so therefore the UK is currently 'ruled by the EU'. However, the UK government has no immediate plans to change any of these oppressive laws in the short term. So, how exactly is any individual country ruled by the EU ? The UK was as much a part of creating EU regs as any other country in the EU and is equally culpable if any of them. The UK never at any point exercised any of the rights they have over migration and in fact, rejected some of them.

Indeed, but for me it isn't about that. An independent Scotland within the EU would cease to be an independent Scotland once it becomes a state within a country called Europe.

And what about those EU plans for harmonised Corporation Tax rates? Buried for now, but they'll be back.

[Batcher]

A huge chunk of the upsurge in SNP voting numbers was down to those who defected from the Labour party because Labour had seemingly lost sight of their core voters' principles.

So in essence, the SNP were perceived as much more likely to speak for those disenfranchised socialists than Scottish Labour were.
That in no way corresponds to a direct correlation with a huge appetite for Independence, much as many within the SNP would like to believe it to be the case.

Anyway, I suspect that Nicola will get her second Referendum and the whole thing will blow up in her face.......again.

Bring it on I say..............then we can perhaps put the tartan mafia back into their wee shortbread tins and move on.

Labour lost Scotland because they stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the hated Tories and also their Blairite right-of-centre leanings to win Middle England in general elections was not the socialist party that had been founded a century ago. Most ex-Labour voters will tell you they didn't leave Labour, it was Labour that left them.

Glasgow city council has been under Labour control for most of that century and at the same time Labour governments had power in Westminster yet poverty and social problems got worse. You just need to look at the champagne socialists who ended up in the House of Lords with their ermine cloaks. that's what it was all about for them, they didn't care about the people they were supposed to represent.