Scottish Referendum Part 2 - Electric Boogaloo

[Batcher]

I guess we'll find out. I was watching the vote live and the Beeb's analysis suggested the government wanted to push Indyref2 until after the 2021 MSP elections (and so after the 2020 GE too). If there's no support for independence then it'll be clear.

Westminster wants it pushed out so Scotland will be forced to leave the EU with rUK. This means the 180,000 EU nationals who would vote for independence will be disenfranchised from voting. They are almost all certain to vote Yes.

[vetran]

Aye, and you "self-determined" to stay in the UK less than 3 years ago.

Or do you just suggest continuing to have referendums every few years until you "self-determine" the result that you want?

its the EU way...

[shaunbhoy]

Pro union parties do not have the votes and seats currently in Scotland to have much of a say. Fact.

Aye, but it won't be the Parties that vote in the IndyRef will it? It will be the same people that voted last time round.

And, as I am sure you fully appreciate, a great many people voted SNP because of their perceived socialist attitude rather than simply because they want an independent Scotland.
Fact.

[TestMangler]

Really? Well nobody appears to have told Ruth Davidson!

https://stv.tv/news/politics/1367060...than-sturgeon/

Gawd, are you schizophrenic ? The first line of that article says that support for independence currently sits at 48% (before the campaign starts) but you claim that it's waning ? Are you going to pretend that bit isn't there cause it doesn't suit your argument ?

Shall we take the council elections as a gauge of support for the parties and their leaders ? Care to put some money on your assertions of unpopularity of the SNP and their leader ? That's a much bigger sample than a poll.

[TestMangler]

Aye, but it won't be the Parties that vote in the IndyRef will it? It will be the same people that voted last time round.

And, as I am sure you fully appreciate, a great many people voted SNP because of their perceived socialist attitude rather than simply because they want an independent Scotland.
Fact.

No, it's not a fact, It's an opinion. Can you tell me how many 'No' voters voted SNP ? No, so it's not a fact, it's a conclusion.

There is a pro indy majority in the Scottish Parliament. That is a fact. Can you see the difference ?

[Batcher]

The SNP got 44% of the vote in 2011 and 46.5% in 2016.

Hardly a giant leap in the right direction is it? Pretty much the same percentage that "YES" polled in 2014. The real winners were the Tories whose share jumped by over 8%. I'm guessing they are mainly pro-union.

On top of that, 1/3 of those who voted YES in 2014 also voted for Brexit. Not sure you can fully count on all of those votes if it goes to another referendum.

Last time I looked 46.5 was bigger than 44

Tories are on 22% which is lower than when Thatcher was PM. Yes, Tories now are lower than Thatcher and she was/is hated up here.

There are a few like Sillars who will dislike the EU more than constant Tory governments but most Yes supporters would take independence in a heartbeat, we can always vote on the EU if desired at a later date.

[Batcher]

paying your round / getting your big brother to pay?

Paying for your own Independance vote or getting England to pay?

etc.

Wait till you vote out, we will make you pay! Do you have a spare £50 Billion?

Love Jean Claude Osborne....

I would just like to point out that if we have to take our 8% share of the debt, then we are also due 8% of the UK assets, currently estimated at £1.5Trillion I believe. That's out debt wiped out with a nice profit.

Ireland left the Yoonion in 1922 I believe and were not forced to pay anything either.

There are loads of countries who have had independence from Westminster and not one of them have asked to rejoin. Funny that.

[Batcher]

It will be Ruth Davidson I expect. The most popular and capable politician in Scotland at the moment.

HTH

The look on the buffalo's face says it all

[shaunbhoy]

No, it's not a fact, It's an opinion. Can you tell me how many 'No' voters voted SNP ? No, so it's not a fact, it's a conclusion.

There is a pro indy majority in the Scottish Parliament. That is a fact. Can you see the difference ?

A huge chunk of the upsurge in SNP voting numbers was down to those who defected from the Labour party because Labour had seemingly lost sight of their core voters' principles.

So in essence, the SNP were perceived as much more likely to speak for those disenfranchised socialists than Scottish Labour were.
That in no way corresponds to a direct correlation with a huge appetite for Independence, much as many within the SNP would like to believe it to be the case.

Anyway, I suspect that Nicola will get her second Referendum and the whole thing will blow up in her face.......again.

Bring it on I say..............then we can perhaps put the tartan mafia back into their wee shortbread tins and move on.

[TestMangler]

A huge chunk of the upsurge in SNP voting numbers was down to those who defected from the Labour party because Labour had seemingly lost sight of their core voters' principles.

So in essence, the SNP were perceived as much more likely to speak for those disenfranchised socialists than Scottish Labour were.
That in no way corresponds to a direct correlation with a huge appetite for Independence, much as many within the SNP would like to believe it to be the case.

Anyway, I suspect that Nicola will get her second Referendum and the whole thing will blow up in her face.......again.

Bring it on I say..............then we can perhaps put the tartan mafia back into their wee shortbread tins and move on.

You are the second most deluded person on this forum. possibly 3rd, but definitely one of the top three.