Brexit, Engxit, Wexit or Scexit?

[DodgyAgent]

They're saying parliament should decide not the Queen, or do you think it should simply be the Queen's decision ?

Yes

[Paddy]

Yes

The Queen? From a dysfunctional emigrant German family living off public money and benefits?

[DodgyAgent]

The Queen? From a dysfunctional emigrant German family living off public money and benefits?

And why not?

[jamesbrown]

Looks like May is steering towards an arrangement inbetween Norway and Switzerland

Desperate stuff. You're really taking this badly. She used that phrase in the same speech at Tory conference that she ruled out ECJ/EFTA jurisdiction (since they use the same case law), among other things. You know, shortly before Sterling tanked . All she's doing is keeping maximum flexibility to negotiate, having seen how ham face completely failed with the opposite strategy. All negotiation starts with have cake and eat it. The phrase "operate within" is simply a nod to a passporting/equivalence regime for financial services.

[BlasterBates]

Desperate stuff. You're really taking this badly. She used that phrase in the same speech at Tory conference that she ruled out ECJ/EFTA jurisdiction .

...and will simply implement something similar to the EFTA instead. It's fairly easy to the pull the wool over people's eyes with a few cheap tricks, particularly Tory Eurosceptic delegates, they're not the brightest.

You need to listen carefully to May and other government ministers denying we're leaving the customs union. Of course they will partially leave so hundreds of thousands of fishing boats can fish to their hearts content on a handkerchief of sea off Morecambe bay

[Paddy]

...and will simply implement something similar to the EFTA instead. It's fairly easy to the pull the wool over people's eyes with a few cheap tricks, particularly Tory Eurosceptic delegates, they're not the brightest.

You need to listen carefully to May and other government ministers denying we're leaving the customs union. Of course they will partially leave so hundreds of thousands of fishing boats can fish to their hearts content on a handkerchief of sea off Morecambe bay

It’s strange that that many UK registered fishing boats were sold to Spanish fishing fleets to make a quick profit. Are they going to ask for their boats back? I doubt if there will be any benefit to the UK fishing industry, in fact I think it will make fish more expensive. Not to worry, May will make a deal to buy Vietnamese mud fish from the polluted rivers

[d000hg]

I don't give a damn about whether the referendum result was legally binding according to interpretations of some umpteen thousand word document or not. The main point is that, if democracy means anything at all, it should be implemented.

And MPs largely share your view. However it needs to happen the correct way. And since this is unprecedented it's proving tricky to figure that out

I think the appeal is a bit daft and they should just hold a vote and get it passed.

[d000hg]

Also all this presumably means that if UKIP had won the election, they would not be able to trigger Article 50 without a parliamentary majority vote either, even if it was a manifesto point "we will trigger A50"?

[jamesbrown]

...and will simply implement something similar to the EFTA instead. It's fairly easy to the pull the wool over people's eyes with a few cheap tricks, particularly Tory Eurosceptic delegates, they're not the brightest.

You need to listen carefully to May and other government ministers denying we're leaving the customs union. Of course they will partially leave so hundreds of thousands of fishing boats can fish to their hearts content on a handkerchief of sea off Morecambe bay

It's you that appears to have selective hearing. The EU heads of state appear to be toughening up their rhetoric too. Even if May wanted CU and single market membership (and she quite clearly doesn't), it wouldn't be on offer. You might want to prep your safe space.

[BlasterBates]

It's you that appears to have selective hearing. The EU heads of state appear to be toughening up their rhetoric too. Even if May wanted CU and single market membership (and she quite clearly doesn't), it wouldn't be on offer. You might want to prep your safe space.

You're referring to the Independent article that was very weak, it was pretty much rubbished on the "what's in the press" shows

May also turned down flatly the points system. The idea there is some brilliant alternative is laughable. She turned it down because she knows she'll be offering "rubber stamped" work visas pretty much on demand

If the UK pays into the budget and rubber stamps works visas, there will be a deal, and that is exactly where it is going