IndyRef2 : This time it's war!

[d000hg]

Do a lot of that then do you d000hg?

I wouldn't say a lot. It was an experience.

[bobspud]

We are not pining after a long lost empire. We are not looking for political muscle. We only want to run our own affairs for the benefit of the people of Scotland. What''s so hard to understand?

I think the problem is that people like you forget that you used to have a thriving fishing industry that employed thousands. That got wiped out buy the very political class that you are struggling to shackle yourself back to.

If you think that you will be running your own affairs as a minor player on the out skirts of the EU you should probably be in a mental institution for your own safety.

For the record I support full self-determination for Scotland Wales and Cornwall as they have proven that they are all far reaches that are forgotten by London unless its for a weekend break.

If Scotland wants to go it alone then great but you shouldn't be doing it just to get in bed with and even more abusive partner than London.

[vetran]

The fact that as a small insignificant member of the EU (always assuming you can grovel your way to the foot of their table!) you will be told what to do by the European Commission and will have even less rights than you currently do under Westminster.

HTH

Yeah but their leaders will have even better pay & benefits than currently its always the way in these sell outs.

I suppose its "I'm all right Jock!"

[shaunbhoy]

We are not pining after a long lost empire. We are not looking for political muscle. We only want to run our own affairs for the benefit of the people of Scotland. What''s so hard to understand?

The fact that as a small insignificant member of the EU (always assuming you can grovel your way to the foot of their table!) you will be told what to do by the European Commission and will have even less rights than you currently do under Westminster.

HTH

[The_Equalizer]

Yes, but most of the rest is reserved. We can't change VAT, Corporation Tax, etc. We will be able to change the Air Passenger Duty rate. Our Police & Fire Services are liable for VAT but English/Welsh/NI are not - https://www.cchdaily.co.uk/hmrc-warn...ps76m-vat-bill

"Once all of the powers are transferred the Scottish Government will have control of 15 per cent of current social security spend in Scotland"

ScottishGovernment - News - Transfer of new powers

And that's going to cover the 9% shortful in GDP?

You and I know this is an anti-English thing. If the UK was so bad you'd have similar movements in Wales and Northern Ireland. It's a cult-like obsession.

Like everthing in life some ideas would work and some wouldn't. It's just the bits that didn't would wreck Scotland. Everyone knows of two such events even in the last decade; RBS in 2008 and the collapse in oil price recently. Why not just get on with governing with the vast powers the SNP have? Probably because it'll show the SNP's faults.

[Mordac]

wonder why the SNP haven't started running their own affairs with the powers they have got?

They briefly had a go at organising a piss up in a brewery, and found that a bit of a struggle, so now they've reverted to type and gone back to slagging off the bastard English bastards.

[Mordac]

You clearly don't understand anything. What they look forward to is a bright and prosperous future, freed from the shackles of the oppressive English.

And will be supported in their old age by the income from the massive oil-backed sovereign wealth fund that will be established on day 1.

As long as they don't invest it in one of the fine "Scottish" banks. UK taxpayer owned banks, btw - that should make for some interesting negotiations, how much should we charge them to buy back their own banks?

[Batcher]

Can you list what the Scottish government can and can't do? Doesn't it have control over health, education, policing...

Yes, but most of the rest is reserved. We can't change VAT, Corporation Tax, etc. We will be able to change the Air Passenger Duty rate. Our Police & Fire Services are liable for VAT but English/Welsh/NI are not - https://www.cchdaily.co.uk/hmrc-warn...ps76m-vat-bill

"Once all of the powers are transferred the Scottish Government will have control of 15 per cent of current social security spend in Scotland"

ScottishGovernment - News - Transfer of new powers

[The_Equalizer]

We don't have the powers we need to run our own affairs. We are tied to the block grant so if we raise income tax it reduces the amount of the block grant we get so we are no better off.

Can you list what the Scottish government can and can't do? Doesn't it have control over health, education, policing...

[Batcher]

wonder why the SNP haven't started running their own affairs with the powers they have got?

We don't have the powers we need to run our own affairs. We are tied to the block grant so if we raise income tax it reduces the amount of the block grant we get so we are no better off.