IndyRef2 : This time it's war!

[minestrone]

Another form of Godwinning. It'll never go away. But the point is made, history is not a tool to take the country forward.

SNP: Bannockburn celebration 'will not be political' - Telegraph

Salmond claims the 'slaughter will be worse than the Bannockburn re-enactment' | The Independent

SNP Bannockburn trips blasted as 'propaganda'

The SNP has been continually leveraging a 700 year old battle for its political aims.

[jamesbrown]

True, both have the worst football teams.

Aye.

[scooterscot]

Yes it has, but you can't go 5 minutes with a nationalist without some grievance about the highland clearances being aired.

Another form of Godwinning. It'll never go away. But the point is made, history is not a tool to take the country forward.

[minestrone]

I think perhaps much has changed in 200 years.

Scots are outwards looking. Protectionism is inward.

Yes it has, but you can't go 5 minutes with a nationalist without some grievance about the highland clearances being aired.

[scooterscot]

That is clearly nonsense.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...e-trading-past

In the list of sins the British Empire committed the Scottish people have been willing participants and often its leaders. Glasgow was built on the slave trade and tobacco plantations.

I think perhaps much has changed in 200 years.

Scots are outwards looking. Protectionism is inward.

[scooterscot]

There's not much evidence for the Scots being any different from the English in many (perhaps most) respects.

True, both have the worst football teams.

[minestrone]

Goodness you're bitter.

Enough of the petty arguments and name calling. Scotland needs to distance itself more and more from Westminster government. It is toxic. Illegal wars, desire for racial profiling, protectionism, this is not who the Scots are and they must continue to distance themselves from that.

That is clearly nonsense.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...e-trading-past

In the list of sins the British Empire committed the Scottish people have been willing participants and often its leaders. Glasgow was built on the slave trade and tobacco plantations.

[jamesbrown]

this is not who the Scots are and they must continue to distance themselves from that.

There's not much evidence for the Scots being any different from the English in many (perhaps most) respects. I dare say support for Scottish independence is greater in England .

Take the most divisive interpretation of Rudd's name-and-shame policy, for example; polling suggests that SNP supporters were evenly split, 46% supporting, and 46% not supporting.

[scooterscot]

Goodness you're bitter.

Enough of the petty arguments and name calling. Scotland needs to distance itself more and more from Westminster government. It is toxic. Illegal wars, desire for racial profiling, protectionism, this is not who the Scots are and they must continue to distance themselves from that.

[minestrone]

With regards to the bill they are 'preparing' the Scottish parliament is now allowed to debate or vote on it as it sits outside their competence. The signals are that May will not consider 'lending' the powers as happened last time under the Edinburgh Agreement.

The only reason for this SNP boondoggle is so that fat pie muncher can print it out and wave it in Westminster and demand that the will of the Scottish people can be heard. May will quite reasonably suggest it was in 2014.